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Updated:   17 Oct 2011, 16:00  ET
[Page converted 07 Jun 2011; created 28 Aug 2002
    original AT&T Worldnet Website begun 30 May 1996.]
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[was at "home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/boxageir.html"]

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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet service effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that this page could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/boxageir.html,
a "vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}


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A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
I-R 60-ton Demo
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain; possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

 

ALCo-GE-IR BOXCAB

Oil-Electric ("Diesel") Locomotives

(American Locomotive Company - General Electric - Ingersoll-Rand)


INDEX to Boxcabs Pages:

  The primary
Boxcabs Index has been moved to a separate page, together with links and credits.

  Boxcab Help.

A service for boxcab afficionados, posting reasonable questions (at my sole discretion).

There are now more than seventy (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.

  The Boxcabs Index Page,
  the "main" page, the ALCo-GE-IR Boxcabs "home" page,
  This page, the ALCo-GE-IR Boxcabs AGEIR "Focus" page,
and many continuation pages,
  Survivor Boxcabs (roster of those boxcabs still around),
now with a SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATIONS MAP, and
  separate pages on each survivor.

[I added three pages of detailed photos of the CNJ #1000 (120 photos) and a page
 of detailed photos of the only surviving 108-tonner, Foley Bros. #110-1 (35 photos).

Boxcab Modeling Notes,
Boxcab Dimensions,
the boxcab bibliography,
  plus Ingersoll-Rand Boxcabs, with a 1929 I-R boxcab brochure and
both I-R and GE Instruction Sheets for a 1929 600-hp, 100-tonner,
and I-R Page 2 with a 1936 catalog of the 113 oil-electrics built to then,
  Baldwin (and Westinghouse) Boxcabs, with a 1930 catalog,
  Other Boxcabs continuation page 2, with EMD, Brill, Porter
and other oil-electrics/diesels,
EMD E6 Boxcabs!, and
GE Shovelnoses.
  Odd Boxcabs continuation page 5, with
air boxcabs,
steam boxcabs, and
odder boxcabs.
    Electric Boxcabs, with
straight electric boxcabs, and
a boxcab gondola (really!).
    Electric Boxcabs - Part 2, with
Chilean Boxcabs, and
Other Overseas Boxcabs.
    Electric Boxcabs - Part 2, with
L&PS #L1 and #L2 and BAP units.
    Electric Boxcabs - Part 2, with
survivor Piedmont & Northern #5103.
  Model Boxcabs, and
  Boxcab Photo Archives of Trains Unlimited, Tours.


PAGE INDEX:

    AGEIR Boxcab History and Introductory matter - follows.
    GE Demo Brochure


Links and credits are now on the Boxcabs Index Page.

Since Sep 2000, there had been an extremely-detailed and accurate site focusing exclusively on the earliest history of the ALCo-GE-IR (AGEIR) locos, John F. Campbell's http://www.execpc.com/~jcampbel/ageir.html ALCO /General Electric / Ingersoll-Rand (AGEIR) Diesel-Electric Locomotives" site; I heartily recommended it to everyone!  John Campbell had since added a complete roster of all the ALCo-GE-IR boxcab locos built in the first production run, totalling 33 units, from 1925 to 1930, but not the later Bi- and Tri-Power or GE-IR units.  Unfortunatel;y, John passed away far too soon on 23 Feb 2005; for more information, click here.  That site is now hosted in John's honor by his e-friend and fellow boxcab aficionado S. Berliner, III (me); more boxcab information and photographs can be found on this (my) site, http://sbiii.com/boxcabs.html, et seq.  John's pages are not being changed or otherwise updated as to content, unless specifically so noted.


note-rt.gif - my conventions for this site are that the front of the loco is the "F" or "1" end and the rear is the "2" end, so the "right" side is the "A" side or right looking from "2" to "F"/"1" and the "left" side is the "B" side or left looking from "2" to "F"/"1"; I will relabel any incorrect captions; please let me know if you spot any errors.

Boxcab Conventions
(05 Aug 2002 sketch by and © S. Berliner, III 2002 - all rights reserved)

However, bear in mind that the standard 60-ton models had some variations; AGEIR demo #9681-cum-CNJ #1000 had the engine at the front and the generator at the rear, moving the pot stacks forward of center:

Boxcab Conventions
(26 Jul 2011 sketch by and © S. Berliner, III 2011 - all rights reserved)

whereas the B&O #1 was turned back to front for some reason.   new (26 Jul 2011)


I-R found an old brochure on the original boxcabs; it (a xerocopy) arrived 18 May 98 and is a gold mine!  I-R gave me permission (19 May 98) to reproduce it, which I plan to do on a new page (or pages), starting with my Ingersoll-Rand page, on which I've already listed the boxcab photos and illustrations therein.  I-R uses the term "box-type cab" and all units are double ended (two engineer's control stands).


A note on usage - I have always used ALCo, in lieu of ALCO, for the American Locomotive Company
and have been taken to task for the affectation;
I don't remember where I first ran across it, but I'm not about to change now.


GE Demo Brochure

Speaking of "gold mines" (above), Peter Bergs ran across a General Electric Company brochure about the original "single-ended" or bullnosed demonstrator, #8835, in a library, photographed it, and was kind enough to share it with us!  These are photos, not scans, and so are not exactly squared in the frames but I have donated significant server memory (8.35Mb!) to allow you to see the images as thumbnails, at moderate resolution, and at very-high-resolution.

The brochure is undated but does present a dimensioned elevation drawing of the later GE Class 404-OE-120-4HM840G "double-ended" 1925 demonstrator #9681 (later CNJ #1000); note that the drawing shows the exhaust stacks as symmetrical, which was not how they were actually mounted in production (offset to rear, except on B&O #1, on which they were offset to the front).

The front cover is in color and has been reproduced here in color; the inside eight pages and the back cover are in black-and-white.  The illustrations on pages 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 have been extracted and follow the full pages:

FrontCover Page1
(Photos of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for moderate-resolution images (ca. 100-200Kb);
click here Front Cover or Page 1 for VERY large, high-resolution pictures (ca. 350-700Kb).]

Page2 Page3
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for moderate-resolution images (ca. 100-200Kb);
click here Page 2 or Page 3 for VERY large, high-resolution pictures (ca. 350-700Kb).]

Page4 Page5
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for moderate-resolution images (ca. 100-200Kb);
click here Page 4 or Page 5 for VERY large, high-resolution pictures (ca. 350-700Kb).]

Page6 Page7
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for moderate-resolution images (ca. 100-200Kb);
click here Page 6 or Page 7 for VERY large, high-resolution pictures (ca. 350-700Kb).]

Page8 BackCover
(Photos of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for moderate-resolution images (ca. 100-200Kb);
click here Page 8 or Back Cover for VERY large, high-resolution pictures (ca. 350-700Kb).]

The figures shown on Pages 1, 2, 3, 4, and 7 have been excerpted for your convenience and are shown here as thumbnails and linked for high-resolution (ca. 100-150Kb):

Page1Photo
"OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE NO. 8835 IN SERVICE ON THE WEST SIDE
TRACKS OF THE NEW YORK CENTRAL RAILROAD IN NEW YORK CITY"
(Extracted photo from Page 1 of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a high-resolution picture.]

Page2Photo
"ENGINEER'S POSITION SHOWING CONTROLS, AIR BRAKES AND INSTRUMENTS"
(Extracted photo from Page 2 of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a high-resolution picture.]

Page3Photo
"INTERIOR OF CAB SHOWING 300 H.P. INERSOLL-RAND OIL-ENGINE
DIRECT CONNECTED TO GENERAL-ELECTRIC GENERATOR"
(Extracted photo from Page 3 of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a high-resolution picture.]

Page4Photo
"OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE NO. 8835 IN SERVICE IN THE NORTH STATION
TERMINAL YARDS OF THE BOSTON & MAINE R.R., BOSTON"
(Extracted photo from Page 4 of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a high-resolution picture.]

Page7Drawing
"404-OE-120-4HM840G OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE, OUTLINE AND DIMENSIONS"
(Extracted elevation drawing from Page 7 of GE Demo Brochure courtesy of P. Bergs - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a high-resolution picture.]

{Bear in mind the offset of the exhaust stacks as noted above.}


Here is Joshua Moldover's excellent line drawing of a 60-tonner, from his incredible Railroad Paintshop.

(Josh's original is FAR better than my reproduction here,
which breaks up a bit, at least it did on my old screen)
:

Boxcab Outline
ALCO-GE-IR 60-ton Boxcab Drawing © 1998 Joshua Moldover
Provided by the Railroad Paint Shop - paintshop.railfan.net
Used by permission

Here, courtesy of Bill Battle, a former ALCo Field Engineering Manager out of Schenectady, is an image cropped from the wider original ALCo production photo card showing Erie box cab #20 produced on order No S-1532 (form dated May 1925 on the back (see below) and stamped "Jul 23 1926" but dated May 1926 on the image on the obverse):

1926 Erie #20

It would be my frontispiece if it weren't for that weird little stack and muffler.



Builder's Production Card for Erie Boxcab #20:

1926 Erie #20 Builder's Card obverse
Obverse (full) image of card courtesy of Bill Battle

1926 Erie #20 Builder's Car reverse
Reverse image of card courtesy of Bill Battle (obverse above)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a VERY large but legible image.]


I'm grateful for any help, but that's inappropriate for a diesel devotée -
steamers are grateful; internal combustors should just be exhausted!  :·)



LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.


There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.


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To tour the Boxcabs pages in sequence, the arrows take you from the Boxcabs index page to this first Boxcabs page, to continuation pages 3 and up, then 100-tonner LIRR #401 and her sisters, survivor boxcabs (with map) and survivor notes, survivor CNJ #1000 (the very first), Ingersoll-Rand boxcabs (with instruction manual), other (non-ALCo/GE/I-R) boxcabs, Baldwin-Westinghouse boxcabs, odd boxcabs, and finally model boxcabs.



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except where noted Copyright © 1997 B&O Railroad Museum.


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