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ELECTRIC BOXCABS
Continuation Page 3

 

I-R 60-ton Demo

A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain;
possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

 

 

ALCo-GE-IR BOXCAB

Oil-Electric ("Diesel") Locomotives

(American Locomotive Company - General Electric - Ingersoll-Rand)

INDEX to Boxcabs Pages:

note-rt.gif   The primary Boxcabs Index has been moved to a separate page, together with links and credits.

Boxcab Help - A service for boxcab afficionados,
posting reasonable questions (at my sole discretion).

There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization -
see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]

  The Boxcabs Index Page.
(Page separated out from Electric Boxcabs main and Continuation Pages 1 and 2 on 11 Jun 02)

BOXCAB BIBLIOGRAPHY is at the end of Continuation Page 3.


PAGE INDEX:

On the main Electric Boxcabs page:
  ELECTRIC BOXCABS
1893 GE #1 / MfrsRR #1
Piedmont & Northern #5103
[moved to the Electric Boxcab (Survivors) page 3 on 11 Jun 02].
ELECTRIC BOXGON!

On the Electric Boxcabs Continuation Page 1:
  ELECTRIC BOXCABS - Part 2 (follows), with

GE #1/MfrsRR #1 History (continued),
St. Clair Tunnel Electric Boxcabs,
Mystery Canadian G.E. Electric Boxcab (no it's not!),
Chilean Boxcabs, and
Other Overseas Electric Boxcabs

On the Electric Boxcabs (Survivors) Continuation Page 2:

So. Bklyn #4.
L&PS #L1 and #L2.
Butte, Anaconda & Pacific.

On this Electric Boxcab (Survivors) Continuation Page 3:

Piedmont & Northern #5103
NYC S-Motors
(moved here from the main Electric Boxcabs page and now continued,
    with other NYC electric boxcabs on a new NY Central Boxcabs page.
New Haven Boxcabs page.
Chilean Boxcabs - updated.

Still on Continuation Page 5:
  ODD BOXCABS

AIR BOXCAB!
STEAM BOXCABS!
  ODDER BOXCABS


ELECTRIC BOXCAB SURVIVORS

Just for the record, let me re-emphasize that I erred badly in indicating that refs. T2 and T3 were BA&P units; they are NOT!  They are the Milwaukee Road electric motors at Harlowton and Deer Lodge, Montana, as now noted on the main survivors page.  The unit at Harlowton appears to be the E-57B, the last electric to drop its pans and is parked near the main highway in a mini-park in good cosmetic condition while the unit at Deer Lodge is not really a boxcab at all, but rather an "honorary one, an E-70 Little Joe (both per "Helmut Wisinger in Beautiful British Columbia", "Helmut's Milwaukee Road 'Lines West' Homepage").


Hoorah!  I found out from the PRRT&HS Discussion Web that PRR Class P5 boxcab electric motor #4700 survives at the Museum of Transportation in St. Louis!  I missed it when I was there; it is not mentioned on their site and I am trying to get more information for here and my PRR pages.  No streamlined P5a Modified units were saved.

Piedmont & Northern #5103

On the main Electric Boxcabs page, I'd written, "Now, before rattling off to Chile, let's consider the Piedmont & Northern classic electric boxcab #5103 noted on the Survivors page, preserved at the North Carolina Transportation Museum's historic Spencer Shops in Salisbury, North Carolina."  O.K.  Let's do just that, but on this page, because the main Electric Boxcabs page was totally overloaded.

She's a beauty (assuming you like boxcabs) and appears largely original; she's a sort of southern dual-power loco, sporting both a huge pantagraph AND a trolley pole!  Here is the Museum's postcard view (the card is available from their Gift Station):

P&N #5103 Postcard

and en-route to, and arriving at, the Museum:

P&N #5103 1 P&N #5103 2 P&N #5103 3
(left picture {only} is a thumbnail image; click on picture for larger image)
[All four pictures reproduced by specific permission of NCTM; all rights reserved to NCTM.]

She sure looks like a classic General Electric boxcab, a 60-tonner with end platforms.

The NCTM, a North Carolina Historic Site, is in Spencer, just off I-85 near Salisbury, and just south of Winston-Salem.

Here's a home-grown very-big (100-ton) brother (#5602?) built by the P&N shops using Westinghouse equipment:

P&N  #5602
(photo from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA #15)
(Thumbnailed image - click on picture for full image)

Whadda monster to have both pan and pole!  Unfortunately, she is NOT a survivor.

The NCTM came through magnificently with the following description of #5103 (given verbatim):

"Piedmont and Northern Boxcab 5103 - Built by the General Electric in 1913 as an electric locomotive.  Power was supplied either through a 600-volt D.C. trolley pole or a 1500-volt D.C. overhead catenary shoe.  The P&N was the only mainline Class 1 railroad in the south to use electric locomotives.  They also had a divided right-of-way, with part operating Charlotte to Belmont, NC and the other Spartanburg to Greenwood, SC.  The 5103 worked first in SC then ended its service running old trolley tracks in downtown Charlotte in 1958.  The 5103 was chosen to be restored by the P&N at their Greenville, SC shops in 1963 and donated to the Atlanta, NRHS Chapter.  The NCTHC purchased the locomotive in 1995, to be placed on display in the roundhouse to interpret this unique railroad owned by James Duke."

"NCTHC" was The North Carolina Transportation History Corporation,
now the The North Carolina Transportation Museum Foundation,
"chartered in 1977 as a non-profit support group to assist in fund raising and the acquisition and restoration of artifacts.
Since its formation, NCTMF has acquired well over $2 million in rare transportation artifacts
and has made possible their restoration and display."
The NCTM is in historic Rowan County and is one of 23 historic sites operated by
The North Carolina Department of Cultural Resources.}

Our sincere appreciation to the NCTM for their many courtesies!

The NCTM has "threatened" to send me even more information about #5103!  Stay tuned.


NYC S-Motors (and other NYC electric boxcabs).

(moved from the main electric boxcab page and amplified 21 Aug 2002 and 03 Jan 2003 and then amplified even more and moved/continued on a separate New York Central boxcabs page.)

The New York Central had what I'd term an "Honorary Boxcab", their classic old S-motor, the S-2 immortalized by Lionel in tinplate.  Sure, its got a visibility cab or something similar, but, without running boards or walkways, it's not such a base subject.  Here are two views of 1906 NYC S-2 #113 taken at the (then) National Museum of Transport on 03 Jul 1982:

NYC #113 at NMT NYC #113 at NMT
(photos 03 Jul 82 by and © 1982/2000 - S. Berliner, IIII - all rights reserved.).

It was a third-rail loco (under-running, I believe, like the NH and unlike the PRR and LIRR); those mini-pantagraphs up topside were there to contact overhead third rail (NOT catenary wire) at huge gaps in fancy track turnout work under Grand Central.  The over-running third-rail LIRR DD1s also had such.

I had hoped to have more on these fascinating juicers, and their successor T-motors, here some day.  Well, the day has come; see the new New York Central boxcabs page.

See also the New Haven boxcabs page.


We haven't even scratched the surface of electric boxcabs!
Just the New Haven, alone, could take the rest of my life to cover, but I won't let it (click on the link)!  And that doesn't even take into account the multitudinous New York Central boxcabs, both oil-electric AND straight electric, as noted above.


A correspondent wants to model a locomotive that he believes operated on the B&O's Fells Point car float.  There were two box cab locos, #4 and #10, which ran off overhead trolley lines (at least for a while, he doesn't know if they were straight electric).  He also doesn't know what the #4 was, but believes the #10 was a B&O class CE-1.  Can anyone direct us to more information and possibly a photo of either of these box cabs?  I referred him to the B&O Historical Society.  Can anyone give us more info on the CE-1?

Well, it took a Canadian to remind me (09 Feb 2005) that Model Railroader (to which I subscribe!) had an article about #10 in the May 2001 issue; "therein lies a short article on the CE-1, complete with photos and drawings".  Thanks, Vince!


I was asked about a Puerto Rican boxcab.  Apparently on page 69 of Railways of the Caribbean by David Rollinson, there is a picture of an electric boxcab captioned "Electric locomotive no. 7 worked on the Caguas Tramway part of the Porto Rico Railroad Company".  It was built by Baldwin in 1908 and it has an all metal body with "Las Dos Estrellas" and the number 7 written on the side of the locomotive.  Can anyone shed any more light on this loco?


Chilean Boxcabs - updated.

Well, Nick Slocombe, who furnished so much information about the Chilean boxcabs in nitrate operations (in which his family has an interest), returned to Chile (in December 2004) and thence home to Britain and has sent more photos and information; he writes (unedited):

"Of the original seven I think six remain in service.  They've been repainted since 1998 and now wear the green of SQM - The Chilean Chemical & Mining Company, who own the Maria Elena and Pedro de Valdivia plants, the railway itself and the loading terminal in Tocopilla."

"As you can see 603 wears a brand new scheme whilst 607 is in the older green scheme that had been applied to at least some of the GE diesels back in 1998.  Both appear to be named; 607 is Alexandra whilst 603 is M Berioza (not sure of the significance).  607 also sports larger cab windows that give it a wide eyed look, not sure I approve."

"Quillagua is one of three passing places on the hill section from Tocopilla to Barrilles (Reverso and Carmelita are the others).  The access road is now marked off the main highway, and there's a car park by the station and a rather attractive sign with a map of the railroad.  It would seem that SQM are becoming aware of the tourist potential of their little railway, at least for railfans.  Interestingly, whilst looking into the yard at Tocopilla I spied what looked like a set of four tourist cars being fitted out."

"603 and 607 were active on the first two days we were in Tocopilla (6th & 7th).  In addition, on the evening of the 7th, 601 and 604 left town with empties.  On the 8th there was a lull in traffic as it was a public holiday and on the 9th an empty train left town behind a single unit at about 08:00.  That was the only movement of the day; at least until we left after lunch."

"In terms of the prospect for continuing electric operation it is hard to say.  The box cabs won't last forever, they're rapidly approaching their 80th birthday.  Having said that SQM have installed a new substation on the hill section, a couple of miles west of Barrilles, so maybe they are investigating the possibility of acquiring new (or rather, second hand) 3'6" electrics.  All electric operation around the mines and plants at Maria Elena and Pedro de Valdivia has now ceased but I've no idea whether any of the redundant power would be suitable for the Tocopilla to Barrilles section."

"Whatever the future holds for these relics it was a real treat to see them a second time.  And who knows, I might go again..."

So, here are Nick's latest photos, again with thumbnails of the larger images bringing up hi-res. close-ups of the locos themselves, and separate links to bring up the entire images in full; as before "I show both a detail of the loco - - - and the overall vista because of the imposing (awesome and fearsome) landscape":

GE #603/607 Tocopilla Dec 2004 - coming
(This and the following SQM photos are courtesy of N. Slocombe - all rights reserved)

Click here for full hi-res. #603/607 Tocopilla coming image.

GE #603/607 Tocopilla Dec 2004 - going

GE #603/607 Quillagua Dec 2004

Click here for full hi-res. #603/607 Quillagua image.
(This and the preceding SQM photos are courtesy of N. Slocombe - all rights reserved)

If you look carefully at #603, you can see SQM's URL under the cab window, http://www.sqm.cl/.

[SQM = Sociedad Química y Minera de Chile S.A.]

Better and better!  From across an even bigger pond, Ian A. Dunn of Sydney, Australia, writes that he "visited Tocopilla, Chile, at the end of July" {2007} and is "happy to report that at least six of the electrics are still busily in service between Tocopilla and Barriles (601, 603, 604, and 606 photographed).  All now in (rather grubby) SQM livery".  He has "about 60 other photos and can send more if you are interested".  Hmm.  Am I interested in some grubby ol' electric boxcabs?  This is an oil-electric site.  You BET I'm interested (but not at the full high-res of this first pix, which I have already reduced drastically):

GE #603/607 Quillagua Dec 2004
(Jul 2007 SQM photo by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed picture for larger image]

I had pored over the hi-res image and couldn't find evidence of road numbers whatsoever; look carefully at the lower left corners of the sides and there, faded almost beyond legibility, are "603" and "604".  The second unit, #604, has a definite sag in the roof and lower edge of the body.  How amazing; instead of being preserved in a museum, reduced to hauling gaping tourists, or being ignominiously scrapped, these 79-80 year old veterans are still slugging away daily!

Now, here, with Ian Dunn's captions are a selected set of other photos of these ancient steeds plugging away daily:

General Electric 66-tonners 606 and 601 of the Ferrocarril de Tocopilla al Toco ease their load gently downhill towards Quillagua loop on 24 July 2007:
GE #606/601 Quillagua 24 Jul 2007
(24 Jul 2007 FCTT photo by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed picture for larger, sharper image]

(Left)  General Electric B-B electrics 606 and 601 are ready to depart Barriles yard, current terminus of the FCTT's electrification, on the afternoon of 23 July 2007.  The short train of gondolas is conveying processed nitrate to the shipping terminal at Tocopilla, 17¼ miles and 1½ hours away, and 3,231 feet downhill.  (Right)  Double-headed 603-604 swing into the 32° semicircular curve as they power away from Quillagua loop and attack the 4% grade again on 23 July 2007:
GE #606/601 Barriles 23 Jul 2007 GE #603/604 Quillagua 23 Jul 2007
(23 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

Eighty years young and still going strong!  The builder's plate on 604, showing the construction date of April 1927:
GE #604 Builder's Plate Jul 2007
(Jul 2007 FCTT photo by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed picture for larger, sharper image]

(Left)  Nearing the top of their 17¼ mile climb, 603-604 heave a train of empties around a curve near the abandoned Mina Esperanza, a couple of miles short of Barriles on 24 July 2007.  (Right)  604-603 slip gently around the S-curves approaching the recently-built sub-station, about three miles from Barriles, with a loaded train for Tocopilla on 24 July 2007:
GE #603/604 Barriles 24 Jul 2007 GE #604/603 Barriles 24 Jul 2007
(24 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

(Left)  The barren hills around Quillagua echo to the squeal of flange on railhead as 606-601 enter the 33°, semicircular curve approaching Quillagua on 23 July 2007.  (Right)  Rounding the 32° semicircular curve into Quillagua is a loaded train for Tocopilla on 24 July 2007.  Vintage electrics 603-604 have traversed the mountainside in the background and were visible for twenty minutes before this photo was taken:
GE #606/601 Quillagua 23 Jul 2007 GE #603/604 Quillagua 24 Jul 2007
(23 & 24 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

(Left)  High above Quillagua, 601-606 exert every ounce of tractive effort as they drag a long train of empties towards Barriles on 24 July 2007.  (Right)  Rounding a curve near Mina Esperanza, 601-606 climb uphill with empties for Pedro de Valdivia mine on 24 July 2007:
GE #601/606 Quillagua 24 Jul 2007 GE #601/606 above Quillagua 24 Jul 2007
(23 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

(Left)  Running solo, 606 takes a short train of empties uphill into Barriles yard on 25 July 2007.  The bogie {4-axle} hoppers are five of a batch of fifty built in June 2007 by Amsted Maxion in Brazil.  (Right)  Late on the afternoon of 24 July 2007, a train of empties has arrived in Barriles yard behind 606-601.  The pantograph on 606 has been dropped in readiness for another trip downhill, at the head of the loaded gondolas on the right:
GE #606 Barriles 25 Jul 2007 GE #606/601 Barriles 24 Jul 2007
(25 & 24 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

(Left)  An uphill train of empties with 606 in charge waits in the loop at Carmelita, 7¼ miles by rail from Tocopilla yet within sight of the town, which lies 1,327' below.  A loaded, downhill train with 603-604 cautiously runs past, as the second man off 606 inspects the passing wagons on 24 July 2007.  (Right)  Climbing from Reverso to Carmelita loop on 24 July 2007, 606 makes the valley ring to the sound of four GE electric motors at full stretch:
GE #606 Camelita 24 Jul 2007 GE #606 Reverso 24 Jul 2007
(24 Jul 2007 FCTT photos by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed pictures for larger, sharper images]

Making their final descent into Tocopilla, still on 4% grade, 603-604 round another of the many 33° curves which have moderated the speed of their 17¼ mile trip from Barriles on 24 July 2007:
GE #603/604 Tocopilla 23 Jul 2007
(24 Jul 2007 FCTT photo by and courtesy of I. A. Dunn - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed picture for larger, sharper image]

Let's hear it for Ian Dunn!  We owe him quite a debt of gratitude, eh?



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