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I-R 60-ton Demo

A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain;
possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

 

 

ALCo-GE-IR BOXCAB

Oil-Electric ("Diesel") Locomotives

(American Locomotive Company - General Electric - Ingersoll-Rand)


INDEX to Boxcabs Pages:

note-rt.gif   The primary Boxcabs Index has been moved to a separate page,
together with links and credits.

Boxcab Help - A service for boxcab afficionados,
posting reasonable questions (at my sole discretion).

There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization -
see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]

PAGE INDEX:

On this "main" model boxcabs page:
    BOXCAB MODELING NOTES - moved here from LIRR #401 and Sister Boxcabs page 24 Feb 00.
    BOXCAB DIMENSIONS - moved here from LIRR #401 and Sister Boxcabs page 24 Feb 00.

The rest of the page is unindexed; scroll away.

On the Model Boxcabs Continuation Page 1:
    MONSTER MODEL BOXCABS.

On the the model boxcabs continuation page 2:
    More Boxcab Model Miscellany - continued, with
        The Weathering Man Custom HO Boxcabs, and   new.gif (30 May 2013)
        CNJ 1000 in G!.   new.gif (30 May 2013)

On the the model boxcabs continuation page 3:
  new.gif (19 Oct 2010)
    Large-Scale Hoosac Tunnel Box Motor Model   new.gif (19 Oct 2010)


SCALE MODELS of BOXCAB OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVES

(Base information moved from Main Boxcabs Page 08 Jan 00)

401 in Z-scale 1:220 1000 in Z-scale 1:220 LIRR 401                    CNJ 1000

Z-Scale (1:220) Drawings

(This is no longer just a drawing!
See below and Even More Z on Z-scale page 5.)

The World's First Production Diesel Road Switcher

Also the first diesel to haul a revenue train on a long-distance run

For modeling information primarily specific to LIRR #401 (first), the first diesel road switcher, you were previously referred to LIRR #401 and Sister Boxcabs continuation page (which shows the LIRR's excuse for a new #401!), but the Boxcab Modeling Notes and Boxcab Dimensions, have now been moved here (below).

WOW! - There is now a Z-scale (1:220) boxcab model!

FR boxcab & hoppers
Image of development model from Freudenreich Feinwerktechnik
with FR Z-scale hopper cars!

Freudenreich makes this fabulous 60-ton Boxcab model with and without end doors; here's the production CNJ #1000 (without end doors) and Erie #20 (with end doors):

FR CNJ #1000
[Thumbnail image - click on the picture for the full image.
Photos by H. Freudenreich - all rights reserved.]

{Note that the stacks are now properly offset - gee, I wonder what boxcab fan(atic) pointed that out?}  :-)

More information and latest photos.

Freudenreich just "happened" make a one-off Z (1:220) 100-ton Boxcab chassis.  No one else came forward for a Z 100-tonner, but you can see the chassis for LIRR #401 in Z 1:220 (with only one flywheel, after all - no room) on my new FR Z-scale page at FR BOXCAB LOCOMOTIVES.

[There just "happens" to be a second chassis and body which is available just in case anyone else is desperate for a #401 of their own in Z; let me know if you're that person (and serious - it won't be inexpensive!).]

Here is the completed FR body shell (I have a LOT of work to do):

Z 401 Shell Z 401 Body
(photos 31 Oct 02 by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III)

That's a "gold" dollar.

Now, for LIRR (2nd) #402 in Z (a custom FR chassis projected for early Winter 2002 has been ditched in favor of chopping up a brand-new Märklin #88690)!  Here is the "raw material" [received ~07 Aug 02 (seems a shame to chop it up)]:

88690 left (01) 88690 right (02)

88690 left (04) 88690 right (02)'

88690 lighting
(13 Aug 02 photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

This last shows the integrated headlight and running light LED and diode panel at each end of the body; I can't see any way to utilize these elegant devices.  The chassis and the lighting portion of the wiring PCboard on top have to be shortened drastically at each end (no problem) and the chassis milled slightly narrower (problem).  Then FR boxcab sideframes have to be fitted to each truck (no problem - the very slight difference in truck and axle wheelbases will not really show).

Here's a mock-up (using two FR 60-ton bodies; you can see why the chassis has to be narrowed and shortened):

Z 402 Mock-up

Next comes a powered Baldwin-Westinghouse LIRR #403A in Z ("Mike" - I don''t think I'll bother with #403B, "Ike"; one's enough and the married pair were separated early on); this will be faked on an early Märklin 8800 chassis with the center drivers removed and a new 5-pole motor substituted.

Here's a mock-up (using a far-too-long FR 60-ton body):

Z 403 Mock-up
(31 Oct 02 photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

(More on Boxcab Models Continuation Page 1)

See also FREUDENREICH's site!


BOXCAB MODELING NOTES:

(moved here from
LIRR #401 and Sister Boxcabs page 24 Feb 00,
  with major revisions of the following notes 10 Jan 01.)

[note-rt.gif - I added three pages of detailed photos of the CNJ #1000 (120 photos)
 and two pages of detailed photos of the only surviving 108-tonner, Foley Bros. #110-1 (70+ photos).

1 - The first production engines (CNJ #1000, LIRR #401, B&O #1, and LV #100, for sure) did NOT have end doors.  The balance definitely did have end doors (I've checked them out in TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA #43).  Both Brill LIRR (1st) #402 and AGEIR (2nd) #402 did.  When GE took over production, they all did.  I finally (Dec 98) located my copy of the First Edition (1963) of Armstrong's book with Erie I-R box cab #19 or 20 at the Harlem Station, Bronx carfloat, on page 62, to check that early one (it DOES have end doors!).  All double-engined units after LIRR #401 had curved fronts, although LIRR (2nd) #402 was a one-off oddity (less curved).

2 - Side doors are always on the right facing either side; they are not symmetrical.  They are not opposite each other (impossible if they are always at the right).

3 - The "drive" ("1" or "A" or "F") end near the "side door", as noted above, is confusing, most 60-tonners have the stacks offset to tne front, but one or more are definitely the other way (running "backwards", as it were).  You can see how the later GE drawing (above) shows the stacks offset away from the engineer's cab.  Campbell states this was because the motor-generator set was put more to the center on production units to balance the single-engined locomotives.  Of course, LIRR #401 stacks are symmetrical (all four of 'em).  To my knowledge (not verified on more than a few units), the brake wheel is normally at the left rear or "back" (2, B, R) end.  To further confuse you, the sides are sometimes labelled "A" and "B", with the "A" side being the right side facing 'front" (HA!) and v.v.  Got it?  There WILL be a quiz in the morning!

[John Campbell noted that B&O #1 is "reversed", but speculates that it might just be a lettering error.]

[I only just realized on 22 Oct 2010 that the frontispiece above is a REAR quarter view!]

4 - The front end windows are the same size as the side ones and all the side windows slide down into the body, except the engineer's front window, which tilts inward at the top, and the engineer's double horizontal-sliding side windows, which are wider, but all windows are the same height.  My interior shots of the CNJ #1000 cab show quite clearly that the inner panel is the rear one and the outer one the forward one, with big hand grips on the inside faces, on the forward end of the front (outer) panel and on the rearward end of the rear (inner) panel.  The grips keep the panels from passing each other fully.  Remember that this holds for both ends (diagonally opposite - right side only, facing outward).  All the others were drop sashes.  Further, the engineer's front and back windows are single, solid sheets of glass, while the "fireman's" window and all other windows have crossed mullions (verticals) and muntins (horizontals) [2 over 2 panes].

Model Die Casting/Roundhouse still lists the HO BOX CAB DIESEL KITS, with 2810 Undecorated, 2811 Decorated (No Name), 2812 Maintenance of Way, 2813 Ingersol{sic} Rand, 2814 Ford Motor Company, 2815 Union Pacific {HA!}, and 2816 Erie; they run in the $26-$30 range.  They are only available through dealers (if at all) and have the incorrectly symmetrical stacks and a weird disk housing under the chassis for model gearing.


BOXCAB DIMENSIONS:

(moved here from LIRR #401 and Sister Boxcabs page 24 Feb 00.)

                     Overall  O'all   Truck   Wheel  Deck    O'all    O'all
                     Length    WB      WB      Dia.  Height  Height   Width
                     _______  _____   _____   _____  ______  ______   _____

60t/300HP - #1000/#1  30' 0"  17' 0"  7' 2"    36"    48"    13' 9½"  9' 4"
100t/600HP - #401     40' 0"  29' 0"  7' 2"    36"
100t/600HP - #402     34' 0"  23' 0"  7' 2"    36"

[added #402(2) 09 Nov 01]


If you REALLY want to see a boxcab model, take a gander at this monster:

J. Thiewes RMI 60T 1
(Cropped 06 Dec 01 from photo by J. Thiewes - all rights reserved.)

[All material on riding-scale model boxcabs has been moved to a new page as of 07 Dec 2001.]


FINALLY!  After all these years, I broke down and bought a brand new, unopened Model Die Casting #2812 BOX CAB DIESEL KIT (Maint. of Way) at the 05 Feb 00 Springfield (MA) show; we shall see what develops.

At the 07-08 Oct 00 Long Island Greenberg Show, I also treated myself to a heavily-discounted MDC #2796 Non-powered Track Cleaner, an abortion based on the boxcab (please don't ask me why or what I intend to do with it!).

I also had ordered (and picked up that 08 Apr 00 day) a tiny Jordan #302 Mack 15/25-ton locomotive kit, just for fun; it's not really a box cab but - HEY!  Well, what to my wondering eyes did appear but a note that it will fit over a Bachmann Gandy Dancer (which I just happen to have already cut up)!  Ooh, goody, goody, gumdrops!

Then, on 15 Jun 00, I finally got Grandt Line #7089, a "GE 23-ton* Box Cab Diesel Electric Loco, Motorized, Standard Gauge" (both axles powered! - emphasis mine).  This little baby is a faithful model (except that mine is standard gauge and will have knuckle couplers) of one used by a private contractor relocating the D&RGW narrow gauge tracks during the building of the Navajo Dam on the San Juan River; it was coupled (link-and-pin, no less!) between a high-side gondola and a drop-botttom gondola for ballasting the relocated tracks.

[Historical information from Grandt Line instruction sheet for #7089.]

Well, now (17 Dec 00), what to my wondering eyes should appear in my large collection of unfinished models but ANOTHER Grandt line HO kit, unpowered, and labeled only as a "GE BOXCAB Diesel Electric Locomotive", standard gauge Kit No. 5127, and stating "If you want to power this model, order MICRO-MO Drive unit No. 7054 HOn3 or No. 7055 standard gauge."  The powered kit is cast in gray plastic, the unpowered in black, but they sure appear identical.  However, the unpowered kit instructions say it is a 25-ton unit (while giving the exact same history).

Further, right from my own boxcab pages, John J. Blair wrote (16 Sep 98), "Hey what about the little 4-wheel boxcab diesels that GE built in the late '30's (a 3' gauge 23 tonner was used in a line relocation on the Sumpter Valley RR)".  He said he'd research them for us.  He should be well qualified; he's the OWNER of actual 12"=1' former NYO&W #7, a 23-ton endcab GE diesel (s/n 15007)!  It was built for Wickwire Brothers of Cortland, NY, by GE in November 1941.  John reminds me that Grandt Line produced an HO/HOn3 version of the Sumpter Valley boxcab a few years ago.  Thanks, John!.

Well (01-02 Jun 2002), along come Lee Snover [Stuff It Storage Co. (LeeTown Models)] and Rich Garich with a small run of O-Scale 23-ton boxcabs:

xxx
(Cropped and doctored 03 Jun 03 from photos courtesy of L. Snover - all rights reserved to source.)

I threw the Mack in for good measure; another case of a model with a box and a cab
and not much else to excuse it being on this page!

They've made 14 O-scale Lehigh Portland Cement GE Boxcabs so far (03 Jun 02); this summer (2002) they will finish up 33 GE Boxcabs, half On3 "Contractor's unit" (RR tie end steps!) used on the D&RGW temp. and half Procter and Gamble units (with footboards).

25 Jun 2002 - here's a view of a ¼"-scale 23-ton (??? - it has a thin deckplate!) GE unit:

Leetown O GE 20-ton
(photo courtesy of L. Snover - all rights reserved to source.)

Don't hold your breath, but rumor hath it that we might just see a Porter 22½-ton boxcab next and they've added a six-cylinder diesel engine!

For more on these folks and their models and the end cabber, see my MRR page.


For another O-scale manufacturer, here is Dallas Mallerich III's {can a "III" be all bad?} Boulder Valley Models , manufacturer of a fabulous conversion kit for the Bachmann Spectrum HO GE 44-tonner to create an On30 homegrown boxcab ( #351 Boxcab-style Oil Electric Locomotive):

Boulder Valley On3 Box RS Boulder Valley On3 Box Open Boulder Valley On3 Box Top
(photos from Boulder Valley site - all rights reserved to source.)

THREE cylinders?  Dark interior?  The AGEIR units had a light hospital green interior.  Oh, that poor engineer, with no foot rest!  Carping aside, this is one sweet model!  You can even smell and hear those flapjacks sizzling on the stove!  Stove?  With no smoke jack?  C'mon, Dallas, next you'll tell me they're gauges!


From the UK across the pond cometh one John Besley and his P & J Models, manufacturers of components for large scale garden railways, specializing in 2' narrow gauge at 16mm = 1' scale {? - a new one to me}; John made a gem of a boxcab for his Exhill Light Railway, No. 34 (obviously, it had cooling problems as evidenced by the "Americanized" roof radiators supplementing the tiny automotive radiator up front):

xxx J. Besley's ELR #34 h95>
(Cropped 08 Aug 01 from photo from P & J site - all rights reserved.)

John advises that the "box cab was designed to look like it might have existed and usually gets most people asking what it is".  He "used a Canon photo copier 7.2 V motor driving through chain and link to both axles"; "control is by two channel radio to an electric controller, the body is made out of plasticcard built up in laminations.  The air tanks on the roof act as an aerial."

"Our own {U.S. protoype boxcab} project loco - - - will look like the Alco 60 ton Boxcab and should be available if all goes well in 45mm (LGB) and complete with radio control and hopefully a sound system."  We should look forward to a very interesting product, here.

Well, on 26 Mar 2002, John sent this photo of the 60-ton loco on test on his line and almost ready for painting; it is in 1/19th scale and, while the general set up is for 16mm to the foot = 2' narrow gauge, it is also "gauge convertible to run on 45mm track.  "There is still further work to be done with installing a sound system as well as making a fuel tank to replace the plastic mock up under the loco."  The loco is radio-controlled, running off a 7.2 Volt rechargeable battery pack.  The estimated cost would be around £950.00 UK with shipping to the States extra!

xxx
(Photo from J. Besley - all rights reserved.)

Ain't that purdy?

As of 10 Aug 2002 (at least), the P & J site shows this picture of a free-lance boxcab in 16mm (1/19th or 1:19 - take your pick):

P & J 16mm boxcab and shed
(Photo from P & J site - all rights reserved.)


Now (03 Oct 2001), again from across the pond and then some, Gerold W. Eckl, of Vienna, Austria, writes that he has built 21 boxcabs, of every description, including the Grandt GE 25-ton and the Mack honorary boxcab; here are some of them (in very low resolution, unfortunately):

GWEcklePix
(Cropped 02 Oct 01 from photos by G. W. Eckl - all rights reserved)

The 25-ton is powered by a Bachmann trolley truck "attached with two brass angles which clip into the sides behind the wheels, and which are attached to the Grant floor with four screws". He then "added wire mesh to the side windows to hide the clumsy motor".

The electric in front of the 25-ton is "freelanced Sacramento Valley Electric #1621, an MDC diesel body on a Austrian Kleinbahn 1045 class (pre-war general purpose electric) drive" (I asked).

The Mack is glued to a Tenshodo SPUD (still available); he "had to file nearly through the running boards where the corners of the SPUD casing protrude upwards".

The last is one of Herr Eckl's favorites, a brass Japanese ED 14.1 painted for his private (interurban) line.

I no sooner posted the above than in came this picture, along with the explanation above, of the SVE #1620:

GWEckleSVE1620
(Enhanced 04 Oct 01 from photo by G. W. Eckl - all rights reserved)

This is Herr Eckl's "six-axle version" of the SVE #1621, above, riding "on a Kleinbahn 1020 class heavy articulated steeplecab chassis".   Not bad; not bad at all for a freelanced kitbash!

Then, on 08 Jun 02, Herr Eckl sent these four; two JNR ED16 brass models by Tetsudo Mokei Sha, both received derelict.  He installed a new Roco drive from a Gotthard BE4/6 boxcab under the first one to get a hybrid resembling a N&W electric and will try to restore the second one to its original configuration but feels chances are poor as the original AC motor is in very bad condition:

xxx

He also sent along a better picture of his ACE GE Boxcab and Sacramento Northern #420 made from resin castings with a Spectrum GE 44-ton drive:

xxx
(Cropped 08 Oct 01 from photos by G. W. Eckl - all rights reserved)

He threatens to send more as he has time and sunlight and hopes you enjoy them!

Just for the record, even though it has nothing to do with Boxcabs, the sprawling Mack Truck Co. plant adjacent to the CNJ main line in Plainfield manufactured small railroad switching locomotives from 1927 to1937.


At the Sunrise Trail Chapter (NE Region, NMRA) Fall Meet on 21 Sep 02, what should I see running with a long NYC passenger string on the HOTrack modular layout than old buddy Bob Spohn's NYC #726 Tri-Power AGEIR boxcab!  It was hand-made many years ago by someone named Al {surname?} who lived in Valley Stream (LI); the mark on the near tank is a scratch, through which brass shows:

R Spohn NYC 726
(21 Sep 2002 photo by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved.)

The third rail shoes weren't out (there was no third rail) and I couldn't hear the oil (diesel) engine running, so I opined that it must have been running on bettery, eh?  Bob was polite about this (we ARE old friends, after all).

#726?  Was there a renumbering?  Pinkepank and Marre show no such.  If anyone knows about the road number or Al's last name, please let me know so I can advise here and credit Al for this great model.  The lighting was simply awful, and I couldn't get the flash or the focus to register, so this is the best I can give you (artificially processed to bring up some color other than bright GREEN, at that).


Here's a vendor new to me (as of 19 Nov 2011) - The Weathering Man, with a specialization in AGEIR boxcabs (and their electric counterparts).


Hal Carstens, late publisher of RAILROAD MODEL CRAFTSMAN and RAILFAN & RAILROAD< magazines, vaguely recalled an O-scale boxcab model, ca. early 1950s, made of flat cast Zamac pieces that screwed together (sounds almost like an Erector or Meccano set, but from Zamac); does anyone have any info. on any such?


There is a good (if ever-so-slightly erroneous) site about electric boxcabs at ToyTrains1, with prototype and model photos.



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