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Updated:   09 Nov 2012, 17:20  ET
{some missing images restored 20 Aug 2003}
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    original AT&T Worldnet Website begun 30 May 1996.]
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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet service effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.


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Survivor Boxcabs
Continuation Page

Mexican, other Latin (South and Central) American,
and Offshore Survivor Boxcabs
(located elsewhere, other than in the United States and Canada).

INDEX to Boxcabs Pages:

note-rt.gif   The primary Boxcabs Index has been moved to a separate page, together with links and credits.

Boxcab Help - A service for boxcab afficionados,
posting reasonable questions (at my sole discretion).

There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization -
see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]

  The Boxcabs Index Page.

This page of NOTES was split off from the Survivors Roster page and the engine listings renumbered on 10 Sep 99.


PAGE INDEX:

There are now separate pages for each surviving boxcab.

NOTES (by item number per listing).
Specific notes about each survivor, which followed the roster,
  now are on each separate survivor boxcab page.

Canadian Survivor Boxcabs -
  Canadian Survivor Boxcabs (on preceding main survivor boxcabs page).

Survivor Boxcabs Mexicanos -
  (moved from main Survivor Boxcabs Page
.   Mexican Survivor Boxcabs.

Survivor Boxcabs Latinos -
  other Latin (South and Central) American Survivor Boxcabs.

Offshore Survivor Boxcabs
  Boxcabs located elsewhere, other than the Americas and Canada.

SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATIONS MAP
  deleted 04 Dec 2000; see the preceding survivor boxcabs page.

ROSTER OF SURVIVING ALCo-GE-IR BOXCABS.
  deleted 04 Dec 2000; see the preceding survivor boxcabs page.

NOTE:  Major rewrite, with only the roster and a linked index and listing for each North American (American and Canadian) survivor boxcab, referring to the separate pages now up for each.

All survivor data for American and Canadian and British locos is being moved to the individual survivor pages; this is now a linked roster page, only, for such locos.


There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, plus two (2) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and two (2) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of sixteen(16) known North American and British survivors.

BEEN THERE - DONE THAT!  01 Jul 2000 - just back from Boxcab Trips 2a and 2b and have now visited and documented all surviving U.S. boxcabs!  Montréal, anyone?  Did that too, on 25 Jun 2002!

More photos were taken and will follow (as of 01 Jul 2000 and 22 Jul 2002) {don't hold your breath?}.

Other surviving gas/oil-electric/diesel boxcabs (including +, @, and *, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Other Boxcabs continuation page.

Other surviving electric (and any other odd) boxcabs (including e, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Odd Boxcabs continuation page.

There are also two 1915 GE boxcab electrics in Ontario!

NOTES (by item number per listing) about each surviving boxcab oil-electric will be found on the separate pages now established for each survivor.


Hey, folks, whatever happened to that Ingersoll-Rand demonstrator, #8835, huh?  The frontispiece photo is NOT it:

I-R 60-ton Demo #9681
(photo provenance uncertain; possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

She is #9681, which became CNJ #1000; demo #8835 was the single-ended 1923 GE unit first demonstrated in 1924 and later scrapped by GE at Erie in 1926 (much more on this to follow elsewhere).


Old Links Revised:

  (missing links rectified 02 Jul 02)

1.  57-ton, ~250{?}-hp MStPR&DETCo. (Dan Patch) #100

2.  60-ton, 300-hp CNJ #1000:

3.  60-ton, 300-hp B&O #1 (later #195/#8000).

4. - deleted - see below - reassigned to South Brooklyn Railway #4, a 57-ton unit road-built in 1907 by the Brooklyn Heights Railway.

5.  60-ton, 300-hp ex-Union Carbide #3 or E.M.Co. #11 -
Detailed information on E.M.Co. #11/UC #3 is now on a separate page (not boxcuc11.html.

6.  100-ton, 600-hp Foley Bros. #110-1 -
Foley Bros. 100-ton, 600-hp unit, #110-1, the ONLY 100-tonner surviving!

7.  60-ton, 300-hp DL&W #3001 (later I-R #91).

8.  60-ton, 300-hp I-R #90.

K.  1939 Mack #4 (a 1939 diesel conversion of 1924 GE trolley motor #4).

L.  1938 GE 23-ton Lehigh Portland Cement #1:
General Electric c/n 12447, Diesel-Electric, 6-1938, at the Midland Railway Historical Association in Baldwin City, Kansas.

    For more on 20- and 23-ton GE units, see the GE Boxcabs page and
both the Model Boxcabs and the main Model Railroad pages.

  [Eventually, these small GE units may get their own page.]

There was an earlier item 4., a 60-ton, 300-hp unit somewhere in upper midwest
probably either the DL&W #3001/IR #91 or the Dan Patch engine.


Canadian Survivor Boxcabs -

  Canadian Survivor Boxcabs are covered with the U.S. ones
  on the preceding survivor boxcab page.


This page was especially hard hit by an image disaster [see Problem];
I hope to be able to restore most images with the help of the original sources.  (28 May 2004)


Before you continue, please take a moment to consider a pair of I-R engines that survive, albeit not in a boxcab or even in a loco, but in a 1940 dredge; they need help to find parts for the air start system - see:

SCIENCE and TECHNOLOGY Continuation Page 1 - Internal Combustion Engines.


SURVIVOR BOXCABS MEXICANOS


(moved here 02 Oct 00)

Señor Juan Viladroza of Mexico kindly sent me these great photos of General Electric electric boxcabs that survive in Mexico.

FCM #1001 in the Puebla Railway Museum GE #64193-8999 of 6/1923; Sr. V. finally got to Puebla ca. Jun 01 and shot her freshly repainted.  He had written (27 Sep 2000) that the 1001 was not actually in Puebla at that moment; it was being restored at the NdeM shops and was to have been back at Puebla in Oct 2000:

FCM #1001 3/4 FCM #1001 Front
[Thumbnail images; click on the photos to view larger images]
(Cropped and reduced from photos courtesy of J. Viladroza - all rights reserved)

Dig those crazy wheel stops!  Also, in fairness to the good Sr. V., the body tilt appears to be due to springing, NOT bad photographic composition.

FCM #1002 ALCo-GE, 2,520hp @ 3000 volts, weight 308,350 lbs, gear ratio 90:18, builder's number 64194-9000, order number S-1409, built date 7-1923, shown in an old newspaper photo in passenger service :

old newspaper photo of FCM #1002

and the same FCM #1002 on display in Vera Cruz in Orizaba province, in a March 2000 color photo:

FCM #1002 at Orizaba

I had written here that I grew up with a photo of a tug-of-war between a steamer and one of these big boxcabs here in the U.S. before shipment - I found the book on 26 Sep 2000 (the Book of Marvels from 1931) and here is that contest:

FCM #1002 vs. NYC Steam

The steamer is a New York Central loco, apparently a high-wheeled Hudson (which would only be fair as they were both for high-speed passenger service); the number is illegible - does anyone out there have more details?  I'm pretty sure this was also on a newsreel.

FCM #1003 is at the Comision Federal de Electricidad Museum in Mexico City, GE 64195-9001, 8/1923, and Sr. Viladroza came through nobly with a photo (27 Sep 2000):

FCM #1003 at CFEM/CM
[thumbnail image; click on the photo to view a larger image]

Not surviving (unless it is 1001, 1002, or 1003 in disguise) but of great interest is FCM #1007, in a photo (date illegible) proclaiming it the first electric in Orizaba province (note that the catenary is still under construction):

FCM #1007
[thumbnail image; click on the photo to view a larger image]
(all FCM photos courtesy of J. Viladroza)

In addition, Sr. Viladroza sent (29 Sep 2000) photos and info. on additional surviving Mexican boxcabs (these are also all electric boxcabs, not oil-electrics).  They are at the El Potosi Mining Company (later named Minerales Nacionales de Mexico) mine near Aquiles Serdan ( known as Santa Eulalia ) in Chihuahua province, Mexico, where they have seven (7) pre-WWII GE electric boxcabs still running and in excellent condition!

Inside the mine, there are several Vulcan electrics working on 2' gauge track but outside are the seven 3' gauge locomotives, #4 and #5 were switchers and #11-15 in pairs work the road train to the connection to NdM (Nacionales de Mexico).

26 km of narrow gauge track still exist, now worked with diesel engines (Whitcombs and Davenports).&mnsp; These photos were taken inside the mine's shop (the #4 is outside the shop, wrecked):

MNdeM El Potosi 1/2 -  Apr 00

  RD  GE         BUILDER'S
  NO  NO        DATE
  ==   ==          =========
  4    10082     7/26
  5    10863     4/29
  11  9624     12/24
  12  9625     12/24
  13  9626     12/24
  14  9627     12/24
  15  9628     12/24

An e-mail came from a gentleman who just (20 Nov 2001) had "returned from Santa Eulalia, Chihuahua, where six of the boxcabs repose at El Potosi Mining Co., later renamed when the New York company sold the mine in 1961.  The mine has been closed since 1990 and the track has been removed.  The owner is interested in selling the remaining six electric engines, in the event you might know a collector of interest."  He is "researching the El Potosi Mining Co., which was a subsidiary of the Howe Sound Co. of New York.  El Potosi Mining Co. was formed in 1901.  The same New York owners formed the Chihuahua Mining Co. in 1890 when they purchased the steam locomotive now reposing on its turntable at Santa Eulalia.  In 1924, Howe Sound Co. purchased the electric locomotives from GE."  He then asks, "Might you know if GE has preserved its archives, which would include records on the purchase and manufacture of the engines?"  Do you?  Please let me know if you do and if you know whom to contact.

Well, now!  The owner of MNdeM, himself, has contacted me (05 Feb 2002), a wee bit perturbed that he knew nothing of all this!  Not that he wouldn't consider a good offer, but such was never discussed!  Strange.  Actually (06 Feb 2002), if anyone is interested, the whole MNdeM operation, mine and RR, is available.

08 Feb 2002 - To be very specific, the owner is Señor Mariano Valenzuela, and he can be contacted through

e-mail:  "M. Buhr" <mbuhr@proeff.com>
.


SURVIVOR BOXCABS LATINOS

(moved here 02 Oct 2000)
Surviving boxcabs in Central and South America should appear here shortly.


OFFSHORE SURVIVOR BOXCABS

Boxcabs located elsewhere, other than the Americas and Canada.

B.  Ford BTH:

Detailed information on the British Ford BTH unit is now on a separate page.

An American-style oil-electric boxcab is preserved in England at the Kent and East Sussex Railway, Rolvenden, East Sussex. : It is a diesel-electric switcher built in 1932 by British Thomson-Houston Company for use at the Ford Motor Co. plant at Dagenham, Essex, near London:

32 Ford BTH at Kent & East Sussex
(info. and photo courtesy of P. Excell, 02 Aug 00 - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a larger image.]

Other Offshore Survivor Boxcabs

Now, in Austria, there is one old diesel boxcab restored to old livery and still (or again) running; it has a hydraulic transmission, is #2093 01 of the ÖBB (Austrian National Railway) Mariazeller Bahn, and runs on 750 mm (~30") track.  There is a German-language site, HCK's Schmalspurseiten (HCK's narrow gauge site) {off line 09 Nov 2012} which covers this auf Deutsch.  Here she is in various poses, running at Gaming (except the last):

2093/_2/_1/_3/_4/rot (Photos from HCK site - all rights reserved)

In the last view (which is a thumbnail - click on the picture for a larger image), she is seen in an later (but pre-restoration) orange livery.

Here we have #2093 doubleheading an excursion train of various four-wheel coaches with an 0-6-2 steamer which is typical for Austrian 750 mm lines; usually these excursions are run with the steamer alone and the diesel as standby:

2093 on excursion (Cropped and reduced from photo courtesy G. W. Eckl - all rights reserved)

{more offshore locos to follow}


There are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving and four (4) B-W (or B-W-style) units, one EMC unit, plus two (2) "home-grown" Anglo-Canadian and English units and two (2) electric boxcab survivors, for a total of sixteen(16) known North American and British survivors.

More photos were taken and will follow (as of 10 Sep 99).

Roster of surviving ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcabs on preceding Survivor Boxcabs page.

Other surviving gas/oil-electric/diesel boxcabs (including +, @, and *, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Other Boxcabs continuation page.

Other surviving electric (and any other odd) boxcabs (including e, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Odd Boxcabs continuation page.

I no sooner finished redrawing the map on the preceding page and revising this page to date (13 Sep 00) than I got wind of yet another surviving U.S. boxcab!  The Roundhouse page of the North Carolina Transportation Museum shows a Piedmont & Northern boxcab #5103 enroute to their facility!  And I had just been down that way!  It turned out to be a straight electric, not an oil-electric or gas-electric, but still - - - !

- - - * - - -

O.K., folks, who knows when the last boxcab in series production (as opposed to the durable Dan Patch loco) ran at the end of continuous service?

Was it 100-ton Foley Bros. #110-1 at UI in July 1963, or the I-R #91 ca. 1976, or the UC #11 in July 1977?  Or could it be one that didn't survive?



LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.


There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.


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To tour the Boxcabs pages in sequence, the arrows take you from the previous page to the Boxcabs index, to the first Boxcabs page, and on to continuation pages 3 and up, then 100-tonner LIRR #401 and her sisters, survivor boxcabs (with map) and survivor notes, survivor CNJ #1000 (the very first production unit) and on, Ingersoll-Rand boxcabs (with instruction manual), other (non-ALCo/GE/I-R) boxcabs, Baldwin-Westinghouse boxcabs, odd boxcabs, and finally model boxcabs.



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