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ALCo-GE-IR Survivor
Boxcab UC #3 Page
(E.M.Co. #11 / UC #3/#11)

 

I-R 60-ton Demo

A new type of locomotive!
Ingersoll-Rand 1925 Demonstrator #9681
(later CNJ #1000)
(ALCo builders photo S-1484 - source uncertain;
possibly from 1980s AAR flyer)

 

 

ALCo-GE-IR BOXCAB

Oil-Electric ("Diesel") Locomotives

(American Locomotive Company - General Electric - Ingersoll-Rand)

INDEX to Boxcabs Pages:

note-rt.gif   The primary Boxcabs Index has been moved to a separate page, together with links and credits.

Boxcab Help - A service for boxcab afficionados,
posting reasonable questions (at my sole discretion).

Since Sep 2000, there had been an extremely-detailed and accurate site focusing exclusively on the earliest history of the ALCo-GE-IR (AGEIR) locos, John F. Campbell's http://www.execpc.com/~jcampbel/ageir.html ALCO /General Electric / Ingersoll-Rand (AGEIR) Diesel-Electric Locomotives" site; I heartily recommended it to everyone!  John Campbell had since added a complete roster of all the ALCo-GE-IR boxcab locos built in the first production run, totalling 33 units, from 1925 to 1930, but not the later Bi- and Tri-Power or GE-IR units.  Unfortunatel;y, John passed away far too soon on 23 Feb 2005; for more information, click here.  That site is now hosted in John's honor by his e-friend and fellow boxcab aficionado S. Berliner, III (me); more boxcab information and photographs can be found on this (my) site, http://sbiii.com/boxcabs.html, et seq.  John's pages are not being changed or otherwise updated as to content, unless specifically so noted.

There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization -
see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]

The Boxcabs Index Page.

[This page was formerly named boxcuc11.html and was renamed
to better reflect one-time Union Carbide numbering.]

This page of NOTES was split off from the Survivors Roster page on 27 Aug 2000.

UC #11
(Photo from TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA #43)
{Pipe the white shirt and tie in a loco!}


PAGE INDEX:

TECHNICAL DATA.

NOTES (by item number per listing).

Union Carbide Numbering - #3 vs #11.

There are now separate pages for each surviving boxcab.

On the Survivor Boxcabs page:

SURVIVOR BOXCAB LOCATIONS MAP.

ROSTER OF SURVIVING ALCo-GE-IR BOXCABS.


TECHNICAL DATA on UC #3/#11/E. M. Co. #11

5.  60-ton, 300-hp ex-Union Carbide #3 / #11 / E.M.Co. #11.

Builder's Plate Data*

OIL-ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE
CLASS B-B132/132-0-4GE292H
GENERAL ELECTRIC CO.
AMERICAN LOCOMOTIVE CO.
INGERSOLL-RAND CO.
G.E. CO. NO.     U.S.A.    A.L.CO. NO.
    10134         JULY 1927       66754
UC #3/11 Builders Plate
(photo and © 2000 R. Rohal - all rights reserved - photo Feb 2000.)
[Actual plate salvaged before loco was supposed to be scrapped.
Page previously showed CLASS B-B120/120-0-4HM840G}]

60-ton, 300-hp unit at North Alabama RR Museum (see below), ex-demo, ex-Union Carbide #3 or #11, 8/1927, b/n 10134 (see Notes).

  * - 07 Feb 00 - heard from man with builder's plate reading "10134 / 66754 July 1927"!  This sounds almost too good to be true!  Have followed up on this lead (08 Feb 2000); see the Notes and the plate photo, above.

  Well, I was there at the end of Jun 2000 and saw her for myself - stay tuned!

NOTES on UC #3/E. M. Co. #11

Now at the North Alabama RR Museum in the Chase community at Huntsville; this unit has quite a history.  It was originally built in 1926 as Union Carbide's #11, was later (supposedly) converted to a track inspection car by enlarging the windows on one end (but see comment below), and is now being carefully restored to its original# configuration   rev (08 Mar 2014) .

UC #3 at NARM
Union Carbide #3 (partially restored) at NARM
(Photo courtesy of North Alabama RR Museum)

# - Although I am thrilled that another boxcab is being restored, I very much doubt that ALCo or GE ever built one with caboose steps on the ends; NARM is replacing them!

    There is a nice paragraph about the restoration.  There is also now a separate website with the latest on #3/11's restoration, replete with color photos!

Tom Lawson (13 Feb 1999) wrote that, though "the Railroad Club lists it having been built in 1926, the builder's data I have for the unit is that it was built 8/1927 as shop number 10134."  He has "an original negative taken of this locomotive on the 4th of July 1960 in transit on the Erie at Youngstown, Ohio.  It is lettered 'E.M.Co. 11' and it is still in its original carbody configuration at that time.  Now, once the locomotive got to Muscle Shoals, Alabama, it was numbered 3.  I photographed the boxcab IN SERVICE in both 1970 (original light blue paint scheme) and in 1973 (new red paint scheme), and it was plainly numbered 3 both times.  Also had a decal saying Union Carbide-Metals Division on it both times.  The Pullman-type end steps and extended cab window were modifications made to the locomotive at Muscle Shoals.  They only ran the locomotive from one end and the cab window was extended so they could see better around the curves in the plant.  The statement in your web page about this locomotive being modified like this for track inspection purposes is completely erroneous {emphasis mine - SB,III}!

While we're at it, that was NOT the original body configuration at all, not with that side radiator and those side cab door steps and cabling hooks!

The fellow mentioned on the Survivors page as having a builder's plate for #11 writes {edited only for format}, "I worked for the Erie from January 1960 until April 1964 starting out at Youngstown, Ohio.  The unit in question came into the shop with a hot box.  When I asked about the destiny of the unit I was told it was going to scrap.  I then asked the foreman if it was OK to remove the plate as I thought it was terrible that something like this would wind up in a junk pile.  He gave me permission and thats how I wound up with this plate.  I've carried this plate thru six moves and almost forty years where it finally rests in a room I built to house my train things."  Casts have been made of this plate and it is hoped some can be acquired for the Museum. (08 Feb 2000)

He was kind enough to send along a photo of U.C. #3 as E.M.Co. #11 at the Erie's Briar Hill shop in July 1960  (18 Feb 00):

E.M.Co. #11 at Erie Briar Hill shop Jul 60
(Crop of photo courtesy of R. Rohal - all rights reserved to photographer)  (18 Feb 00)

Although the photo does not show it, "the unit was a faded red, almost a Pennsy Tuscan.  The original photo shows this but didn't carry in the reproduced duplicate over the Internet.  The side markings were eight inches {high} (White) and were EMCO No 11.  The 'o' in 'No' was even with the top of the 'N'.  Also, the headlights had been changed from the original steam reflector type to a smaller sealed beam."  {Text adapted from R. Rohal e-communication of 18 Feb 00.}

Well, I was there at the end of Jun 2000 and saw her for myself - stay tuned!  Got aoot of detailed photos to scan.

Back in February of 1999, Tom Lawson was kind enough to send me photos of UC #3/11-cum-E.M.Co. #11 (I've just gotta get the story and timing squared away on this loco!).  Not having my scannner up and running and not yet having a digital camera, I set them aside and promptly forgot where!  Sorry 'bout that, Tom!  Here they are at long last (re-photographed with the digital, since the scanner still isn't working):

EMCo #11 Yngstn OH 04 Jul 60
(Steve Cary photo courtesy of Thomas Lawson, Jr.)

E.M.Co. #11 (later{?} Union Carbide #3/11) at Youngstown, Ohio, on 04 Apr 60, already modified with automotive headlamps, cab side door steps, and cabling hooks.

Here she is later, on 06 Nov 70, as Union Carbide #3, heavily modified (end beams and steps, forward cab, and external brake wheel) at Muscle Shoals, Alabama.

UC #3 Muscle Shoals AL 06 Nov 70
(photo by and courtesy of Thomas Lawson, Jr.)

Note that on both pictures, she'd already had an automotive-style radiator set into her left side, implying that the re-engining had already taken place by 1960, yet she retained her old automotive-style mufflers and the roof-mounted tubular radiators, as well.

Note also, however, that her tube radiators are FLAT, not CURVED to fit the roof, as on most older original units.

Then, note further that somewhere along the line, before 1960, she'd received those odd pipe and casting steps under the cab side door, and between 1960 and 1970, she'd had cable hooks added at the jacking points.

note-rt.gif  -   Union Carbide numbering - clearly, from the above photographs, this unit was E. M. Co. (EMCO) #11; it was equally clearly Union Carbide #11 AND #3 at some stages in its checkered career.  It would appear that it became #3 AFTER conversion; I shall inquire of NARM.

Tom Anderson sent some more information about U.C. #11 on 21 Aug 02:

From his research and what he has been told, it started out as a demonstrator (he's unsure of the number at that time) for Inland Steel as per the paragraph below taken from his personal website (which I strongly recommend to you!):

"However, Union Carbide was actually the second 'owner' of this unit.  An article in the December 1970 issue of 'Trains' magazine titled 'Ingersoll-Rand, Catalyst for Dieselization' shows this unit as being loaned out as a demonstrator to Inland Steel of Chicago, Illinois from November 1926 to April 1927.  The unit was rejected for whatever reason by Inland Steel and was sent back to the factory and 'rebuilt' (may have received some upgrades such as bigger traction motors?) and sold to Union Carbide on the August 1927 date mentioned above. So this locomotive was actually built in the year 1926."

Then Union Carbide entered the picture:

"This is how the Boxcab looked the 9th day of August when it was received by Union Carbide in 1927.  This photograph was snagged from the 1976 TRAIN SHED CYCLOPEDIA (#43) by an astute museum member.  According to hand written notes in the original G.E. Instruction Manual, the unit was received at 10:00 A.M. that day (the 9th) and was weighed in on the 10th at 134,080 lbs. (67 tons).  It was in operating condition on the 11th and put into shift work on the 15 of August.  In June, 1960 it was re-powered by Union Carbide with a 385 H.P. Caterpillar V-8 engine.  This boxcab was then transferred to Sheffield, Alabama in July 1960 where it was re-lettered to No. 3.  The unit was put on 'standby' status in 1969."

Now that's pretty specific (except that we're still in the dark about E.M.Co.)!  Thanks, Tom!

note-rt.gif  NOT ANY MORE, we're not!  Tom wrote (26 Sep 2002) that they {edited slightly}

"found buried in some of the material that we received with the Boxcab, this sheet from an employee log book detailing the schematic of a charging generator used on 'No. 11' as it was designated at the time (8/26/55) (see attached file {below}).  But the interesting part is the title at the top of the page: 'Electro Metallurgical Company - A Division of Union Carbide And Carbon Corporation' (EMCO !)."

{Emphases mine - SB,III}

EMCo
(cropped from image courtesy of NARM and enhanced 27 Sep 02 by SB,III - all rights reserved)
[The image is slightly canted; I tried to retain the basic text intact while "decanting" it and removing the heavy background]

Thus, EMCO, or E.M.Co. , indeed!  The "attached file" itself is worthy of note, so I have reproduced it here in full (turned 90° so you can read it):

EMCo-UC
(image courtesy of NARM - all rights reserved)

Now, here, from an old file (of mine) I just recovered, with Tom Lawson's old pix, is an undated color photo of U. C. #3/11-CUM-naRM #11, probably as received at NARM:   added (08 Mar 2014)

NARM#11
(cropped from image from S. Berliner, III collection -
probably courtesy of NARM or T. Lawson - all rights reserved)

The writing on the back, which is NOT Tom's, reads:

NO. ALA RR MUSEUM NO. 11
  ALCO - G.E. - INGERSOLL-RAND BIOXCAB LOCOMOTIVE (1926)

NOTE HOW THE CAB WAS WIDENED
AND WINDOWS MODIFIED BY UNION
CARBIDE (LEFT SIDE OF PHOTO)
END STEPS WERE ALSO ADDED
BY UNION CARBIDE, BUT WILL
BE REMOVED.


It would now appear that there are seven (7) ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcab units surviving.

Roster of surviving ALCo-GE-IR (and just GE-IR or GE alone) boxcabs on Survivor Boxcabs page.

Other surviving gas/oil-electric/diesel boxcabs (including +, @, and *, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Other Boxcabs continuation page.

Other surviving electric (and any other odd) boxcabs (including e, on map on main Survivors page) are noted on the Odd Boxcabs continuation page.



LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.


There are now more than seventy-five (75) BOXCAB pages;
see the full INDEX, now on a separate page.


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