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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that these pages could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/lim*.html,
a "vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}


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Long Island Motor Parkway
History Page 4

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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway

(and related matters)

Motor Parkway Logo

Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit Continuation Pages 1A, et seq.


PAGE INDEX

note-rt.gif  The index on this page has been truncated (links removed) to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the main LIMP page.

On the LIMP History Page:

  HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY - continued, with more photographs.

On the LIMP History Page 2:

  HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY - continued, with more photographs.
  A. R. Pardington, LIMP VP and GM.   The General Manager's House.
  Sempre Vivolo (Brentwood Toll Lodge).

On the LIMP History Page 3:

  Motor Parkway Historical Miscellany
  Motor Parkway Auto Tags/Plates

On this LIMP History Page 4:

  Oldest Parkway.
  Nassau County Police Photos (moved from page 2 on 21 Nov 2003).
  LIMPuzzle.
  Widening the Parkway.
  Dave Keller's Photos of the LIMP.
  Ground Breaking Ceremony - 06 Jun 1907.

On the main LIMP page:

  HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
      now continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, and
      on this LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page 2, et seq.

LIMP Lodges Page:

  LIMP Toll Lodges
     : (or booths, kiosks, gates, or accesses) with
  List of LIMP Toll Lodges and
  List of LIMP Toll Gates.
  List of LIMP Accesses.

On Continuation Page 0:

  LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).
  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TIMELINE.
  LINKS to the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY.
  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BIBLIOGRAPHY.

On Continuation Page 1A:

  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TODAY.
  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BRIDGES.
  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:

  More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
  Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
  I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
  Roslyn Road Fragment.
  Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
  Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
  Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On Continuation Page 3:

  Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:

  Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
  Garden City Toll Lodge.
  Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
  More on Duryea Road Crossing.

    On Continuation Page 5:

  LI MOTOR PARKWAY SPURS.
  PERSONAL LI MOTOR PARKWAY APOCRYPHA,
     and now continued on the LIMP Apocrypha Page.
  LEVITTOWN GRANDSTAND AREA.
  DEAD MAN'S CURVE REDIVIVUS.

On Continuation Page 6:

  LI MOTOR PARKWAY at WlLLISTON/ALBERTSON/SEARINGTOWN.
  Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
  Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:

  OLD BETHPAGE AREA Update.
  ROUTE 110 SAND PITS AREA Update .

On Continuation Page 8:

  North Hills.
  Mineola - Carle Place.

On the LIMP-Vanderbilt Cup Race page:

  (unindexed to date - please scroll away)

On the LIMP-Vanderbilt Cup Race continuation page 1:

  1909 LIRR Special VC Timetable.
  Other Vanderbilt Cup Maps. (moved from the main LIMP Vanderbilt Cup page on 18 Dec 2002)
  1908 Vanderbilt Cup Plaque Returns to Long Island
    (balance unindexed to date - please scroll away)


This is yet another page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.


A Motor Parkway Panel
was convened to
    keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums.

  note-rt - effective 16 Feb 2011, the Motor Parkway Panel was disbanded and all activities thereof assumed by the
Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society

There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.


RoW = Right-of-Way.


William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.
(Courtesy of Northport Public Library)
[Thumbnail image; click on picture for larger image.]

William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.
"Willie K."

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Vanderbilt Cup Race Disclaimer. - although the Vanderbilt Cup races are of interest, they are NOT the provenance of this site; see Disclaimer on main LIMP History page.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY - continued

History Page 4

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Vanderbilt Cup Disclaimer.

Although the Vanderbilt Cup races are of great interest to any Long Island Motor Parkway aficionado, they are NOT the provenance of this site, except when they were run on or across the LIMP.  However, a separate LIMP-Vanderbilt Cup Race Page has been created to cover the races as they related to the Motor Parkway (and material formerly here has been moved to that page).

Links will be provided to sites that do cover these extraordinary races in more depth, IF those so interested will kindly forward the URLs to me.


The Oldest Parkway?

note-rt.gif - this material somehow vanished from my site and has been recreated here.   new.gif (30 Nov 05)

There has long been a rumor of a limited-access parkway in Buenos Aires, Argentina that pre-dates the Long Island Motor Parkway.  I have written to the civil authorities and the university History Department there without response but am trying again.

There is (or was) also a parkway in Italy that is of the same vintage, but the authorities there acknowledge the greater age of the LIMP (I will have to find that information and repost it).

In addition, the Bronx River Parkway (q.v.) pre-dates the LIMP in concept only (as preserved parkland) but as a highway ca. 1917; it wasn't actually opened for traffic until 05 Nov 1925.


PHOTOGRAPHS - continued


Nassau County Police Dept.
Photos of the LIMP

(moved from LIMP History page 2 on 21 Nov 03)

Motor Parkway Panel member Ron Ridolph sent these old photographs from the Nassau County Police Department files for all to enjoy (they were lost and are now restored); the first three are from Homicide's records and are each followed by an enlargement of the accident scene, itself, artificially enhanced to show the details better (which was well-nigh impossible on the third):

Jericho Tpke 9 or 19 Dec 35
Jericho Tpke 9 or 19 Dec 35 detail

Clinton Rd. 1935
Clinton Rd. 1935 detail

Wantagh Av. 21 May 35
Wantagh Av. 21 May 35 detail

The three Homicide crash photos are dated because fatalities occured.  The first is at Jericho Turnpike on 09 or 19 Dec 35, the second at Clinton Road sometime in 1935, and the third is at the Wantagh Avenue crossing on 21 May 35.

The next is of the site of the NCPD 8th Precinct; the photo is dated 09 Mar 59 and the 8th Precinct came on line in 1960:

Site of 8th Pct.

The scene is at Hicksville Road (NY Route 107) looking west.

The last is more of a RR photo than of the LIMP!  It appears to be LIRR G5 engine #31 and was taken in Central Park (now Bethpage) with the Central Avenue LIMP overpass in the background but is undated:

LIRR at Central Av Br
(All NCPD photos and LIRR photo courtesy of R. Ridolph)


LIMPuzzle

Panelist Howard Kroplick poses this question for us.  What crossroads are depicted on these three 1908 Vanderbilt Cup Race photos?   new.gif (17 Nov 05)

UnknownLIMPBridgeA UnknownLIMPBridgeB UnknownLIMPBridgeC
(1908 VCR photos courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images - click on pictures for larger images]

Photo A    /    Photo B    /    Photo C

The search is limited in scope because the 1908 VCR ran on the LIMP RoW only from Old Whaleneck Road (Merrick/Post Avenue, just N of today's Stewart Avenue at Eisenhower Park) to Round Swamp Road (at today's Battle Row Campground, just south of Old Bethpage Village Restoration).  You will note that in photo A, the Motor Parkway makes a sharp right turn after running under the bridge toward the photographer, whereas it turns right before the bridge in photo B and does the same after running over the bridge in photo C.

Just where on that section of the 1908 LIMP RoW did these circumstances pertain?

No guesses, please; we are quite adept at guessing, thank you.  We'd like reasoned answers, with documentation.

The prizes?  Cheers and adulation of screaming crowds?  Howard and I will pat you on the back the next time we see you.


Widening the Parkway

As noted briefly on the main LIMP page, the parkway was originally only 16' (10.4m) wide.  Imagine two cars racing along in opposite directions at a modest 60 mph (96 km/h); that's a 120 mph (192 km/h) closing speed with only 8' (5.2m) in which to maneuver!  After some serious accidents, and probably about the same time as the overpaving with asphalt was done, the Parkway was widened by adding a 3' (91.4 cm) strip of ordinary concrete on each side; these strips still survive in many places BUT, according to Al Velocci, the records only show that being done as far east as Round Swamp Road!  No wonder I couldn't find concrete strips in Suffolk County!


Dave Keller's Photos of the LIMP - Panel Associate Pat Masterson, who, with me, is a Long Island Rail Road fan, asked LIRR historian and author Dave Keller (whose website I host) if he had any pictures of the LIMP (why didn't I think of this?) and received these two amazing photos, which Dave was kind enough to allow us to reproduce here:

ca1928LIMP
(ca. 1928 G. G. Ayling photo from the archives of D. Keller courtesy of P. Masterson
reproduced by specific permission - all rights reserved)

The exact historical and other notes on the back of this photo, which are too faint to scan well, are as follows:
LONG ISLAND
  L. I. MOTOR PARKWAY WITH CAR NEAR WHEELER ROAD - CENTRAL ISLIP, NY-  c. 1928
                      (VIEW LOOKING EAST)

                           ~GEO. G. AYLING PHOTO
PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE ARCHIVES OF
DAVID KELLER
7256 HIAWASSEE OAK DRIVE
ORLANDO, FLORIDA 32818
NO REPRODUCTION WITHOUT PERMISSION

Text on sticker on back of photo:

  From Dave Keller, Orlando, 12/2005:
  I acquired the CI shot from the late George G.
  Ayling, block operator at CI from 1910 until 1923
  then agent/operator from 1923 until his retirement
  in 1954. He photographed lots of stuff around
  Brentwood and Central Islip.
BroadHollowBridge1945
(1945 W. J. Edwards photo from the archives of D. Keller courtesy of P. Masterson
reproduced by specific permission - all rights reserved)

The exact historical and other notes on the back of this photo, which are too faint to scan well, are as follows:   new.gif (12 Jan 06)
LONG ISLAND
 L. I. MOTOR PKY BRIDGE OVER BROAD HOLLOW RD (RT 110) - MELVILLE, NY -  1945

            (VIEW LOOKING N.    CROSS ISLAND TROLLEY RIGHT-OF-WAY AT R. OF ROAD.  CONNECTIONS VISIBLE IN
                     BRIDGE FOR TROLLEY WIRES)

                               ~ W. J. EDWARDS PHOTO ~
PHOTOGRAPH FROM THE ARCHIVES OF
DAVID KELLER
7256 HIAWASSEE OAK DRIVE
ORLANDO, FLORIDA 32818
NO REPRODUCTION WITHOUT PERMISSION

Text on sticker on back of photo:

  From Dave Keller, Orlando, 12/2005:
  The shot of Broadhollow Road at the LIMP was taken
  by an old railfan who once lived in New Jersey.
  Dave
What we have here are a photo by the late George G. Ayling of a not-too-terribly-impressive car on the LIMP ca. 1928, looking E somewhere around Central Islip and another by W. J. Edwards of the Broad Hollow Road (today's Route 110) bridge looking N in 1945; this is the first photo of that bridge that any of us cognoscenti has ever seen!  On the right is the RoW of the Cross Island trolley line that ran alongside BHR and you can see the fittings that held the trolley wire under the bridge (not on this scan; I hope to get higher resolution copies posted soon).

These photos may NOT be reproduced for any purpose
without specific prior written permission of David Keller.


Al Velocci, author of the book on the LIMP Toll Lodges, sent a Christmas card for 2005
that is incredibly appropriate and delightful:

AVelocciXmas2005
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]


Ground Breaking Ceremony - 06 Jun 1907   new.gif (04 Mar 07)

Paul Osika in Michigan advised that he had "some photos taken by Spooner & Wells which could be the ground breaking event" at Central Park (Bethpage); could they EVER!  What he sent me were high-quality xerocopies, all about 5" x 7¼" except #28309, which measures 7¼" x 10".  On that one and #28302 and #28310, LIMP V.P. Arthur R(ayner). Pardington is unmistakeable; however, who might the others be?  Here they are, one un-numbered photo and #s 28302, 28304 and 28305, 28309 and 28310:

#unknown #28302
Photo Unknown # / Photo #28302
(photos courtesy of P. Osika - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images - click on pictures for larger images]

#28304 #28305
Photos #28304 / Photo #28305
(photos courtesy of P. Osika - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images - click on pictures for larger images]

#28309
Photo #28309
(photo courtesy of P. Osika - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]

#28310
Photo #28310
(photo courtesy of P. Osika - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]

#28309 has been slightly lightened artificially and #28310 quite a bit.  Some damage to the original prints is evident but these are, nevertheless, fantastic records!

Remember that Pardington sat in for Willie K., who was away; one can't but wonder if ARP was reading Willie's comments in #28310.  It was 06 Jun 1907 and the ladies are in summer outfits, with parasols open against the sun; the men, especially those in full motoring costume, must have been sweltering!

Panelist Howard Kroplick confirms that Pardington was indeed reading Willie K's address, reminding me that Willie could not attend because he was at the bedside of his step-father, O. H. P. Belmont, who would die a few days' later:   new.gif (05 Mar 07)

ARPreadWKVJr
{it was the ground breaking - NOT the opening, and the "l" in Vanderbilt
was overstruck by the "t" in the typed caption.}
(photo courtesy, and from the collection, of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on picture for larger image]

[Incidentally, "O. H. P." stood for "Oliver Hazard Perry", the naval hero of the Battle of Lake Erie in 1813;
O. H. P. Belmont was a brother of L. I.'s August Belmont and an uncle of Augie, Jr..]



LEGACY

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