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Long Island Motor Parkway Page 3


A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway

(and related matters)

Motor Parkway Panel Logo [If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{No, LIMP does NOT refer to gender/sexual orientation!}

Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


PAGE INDEX

note-rt.gif  The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the main LIMP page.

On the main LIMP page:

HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
    now continued onto a second and third History page.

On Continuation Page 0:

LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TIMELINE.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BIBLIOGRAPHY.
LINKS to the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY.

On Continuation Page 1A:

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:

More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
Roslyn Road Fragment.
Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On this Continuation Page 3:

Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:

Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
Garden City Toll Lodge.
Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 5:

LI MOTOR PARKWAY SPURS.
PERSONAL LI MOTOR PARKWAY APOCRYPHA.
LEVITTOWN GRANDSTAND AREA.
DEAD MAN'S CURVE REDIVIVUS.

On Continuation Page 6:

LI MOTOR PARKWAY at WlLLISTON/ALBERTSON/SEARINGTOWN.
Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:

OLD BETHPAGE AREA Update.
ROUTE 110 SAND PITS AREA Update.
WHEATLEY HEIGHTS/HALF HOLLOW HILLS AREA.

On Continuation Page 8:

North Hills.
Mineola - Carle Place.

{etc.}


This page covers additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.


RoW = Right-of-Way.


Well, the write-ups and photos of the Roslyn Road and Old Bethpage Village segments on the preceding page were just for starters!  On 24 Sep 99, I did an auto/foot tour of the crossings of the LIMP with major roads between Roslyn Road and the Maxess Road bridge in western Suffolk County, the area I know best.

Conventions/abbreviations in this description:

N, S, E, W = North, South, East, and West
NB, etc. = Northbound, etc.

(all photos taken 24 Sep 1999, except as noted, by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - All Rights Reserved)

[Note that the images which follow are too small to justify individual thumbnailing;
thus, all smaller thumbnail images were removed 13 Dec 2012 and the full images substituted.
Simply click on the images to bring them up full size.]

Starting the tour at the south end of the big curve just west of Northern State Parkway/Guinea Woods (Glen Cove) Road on the grounds of the Wheatley Hills Golf Club, the LIMP comes to East Williston/Hillside Avenue at the south boundary of the Club.  There one finds a treasure trove of posts:

Hillside Ave. - NS E posts view W   Hillside Ave. - NS W posts view NE   Hillside Ave. - NS W post group view NNW

There are a few posts to the east of the RoW (view E), some to the west (view W), and a cluster, obviously relocated, at the south end of the Club parking lot about 10 yds. west of the RoW.  There was no evident trace of the LIMP on the south side.

The next crossing was UNDER (most unusual) Jericho Turnpike (Route 25), also just west of Northern State Parkway/Guinea Woods (Glen Cove/Clinton) Road.  Once again, there are traces but here nothing of visual note other than that the RoW is about 10' below grade on the north side and there may be an old LIMP retaining wall there.  On the south side, the RoW is the western end of another Fairview Apartments complex*, with nothing visible through a chain-link fence at the south end.

Following the trace due south, Westbury Avenue comes next, with the RoW about 6' below grade and a solitary post on the north side:

Westbury Ave. NS post view NNE

On the south side, there is a gap in a fence and a trail which wanders off through heavy brush with some chunks of concrete of unknown origin, tons of trash, and an isolation that calls for reinforcements before further exploration.

Even further south, the Long Island Rail Road* crosses the LIMP RoW behind a huge shopping complex (formery property of the late George Dade of aviation fame) just north of Old Country Road.  Access is impossible without trespassing on LIRR trackage (NOT a good idea).

At Old Country Road just inside the eastern boundary of Mineola - treasure!  There, neatly lined up on the grass alongside the easternmost driveway (of three - namely, Vanderbilt Drive, SB) of the Fairhaven Apartments* complex are a row of posts

(NOT Russell Drive, as previously reported) :

Old Country Rd. NS view SSE

The Mineola-Carle Place boundary IS the RoW and so the posts should, by old maps, be on Laurel Drive on the west side of the apartment complex or east of Wisteria Avenue in Mineola, but it was pointed out to me that Mineola bought the RoW and moved its eastern boundary to the E end of the LIMP property!

On 26 Apr 2001, having been told that the posts were gone from the Fairhaven property, I went back and looked; they are still there but a chain-link fence now separates them from Vanderbilt Drive.  I had not shot the N end of VD, which I thought was the S end of the bridge over the LIRR Main Line; here is that N end plus the posts, now on the E side of the fence (looking N):

N end of Vand. Dr. at Old Country Rd. view N
(Photos 26 Apr 2001 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - All Rights Reserved)

Actually; the N-S centerline of the RoW was about even with the N-S ridgepole of the Fairhaven building to the W between Russell and Vanderbilt Drives (per R. Ridolph photos*).

* - see LIMP RR Bridges Page.

Nothing shows on the south side behind another of those ubiquitous chain-link fances.  Now the Parkway runs through heavily populated Garden City, between Russell Road to the west and Pell Terrace to the east and crossed Clinton Street between Pell and Kingsbury Road on a high bridge noted elsewhere as the one from which George Dade and his family looked northeasterly at their new home at Roosevelt Field.  Not much left there now except the eastern embankment viewed from across Clinton (view NE), the embankment up close (view SE), the broken edge of the remaining pavement (view ESE from half-way up), and one of many posts up top, on the north side, in about 100 yards east (view WNW, note the elongated opening for split rails instead of twisted ribbon wire - see LIMP Posts

Clinton St. WS view NE   Clinton St. ES embankment view SE   Clinton St. ES edge of pavement view ESE   Clinton St. ES post NS ~100yds E view WNW

Up topside, there are many more posts and features to see, especially strolling easterly down the gentle grade back to ground level NW of the grade school playing fields and Raymond Court.  There is another post, about 110 yards east (view ENE), a masonry barricade once erected across the RoW about 200 yards east but now missing most of its southern half (view NW), and split rails still (if original?) in place in posts on the south side (about 110 and 120 yards east, views SE and SW):

Clinton St. ES post NS ~110 yds E view ENE   Clinton St. ES masonry barricade ~200 yds E view NW   Clinton St. ES split rail SS ~110 yds E view SE   Clinton St. ES split rails SS ~120 yds E view SW  

[On 31 May 2002, I walked all the way in from Raymond Court and here are the remnants of that wall, looking WNW:

LIMP at  Clinton St. ES masonry barricade ~200 yds E view WNW
[Image restored 13 Dec 2012]

You can barely make out the General Manager's house in the distance, through the foliage. ]

Then a close-up picture of the west edge of the pavement on top (view SE), the RoW about 120 yards E (view SE) with split rails in place and the playing fields in the distance over the back yard of the house just to south, the original concrete margin or road edge (not a raised curb) on the north side about 20 to 30 yards in to the east (view NW), and a view from the west side of Clinton Street looking directly into Vanderbilt Court (formerly Huntington Road on the 1967 Nassau Hagstrom's), the site of the Garden City Toll House now moved to downtown Garden City to serve as the office of the Garden City Historical Society:

[Note that the images which follow are too small to justify individual thumbnailing;
thus, all smaller thumbnail images were removed 13 Dec 2012 and the full images substituted.
Simply click on the images to bring them up full size.]

Clinton St. ES W edge of pavement view SE   Clinton St. ES RoW rails ~120 yds E view SW   Clinton St. ES N edge NS ~20-30 yds E view NW   Clinton St. WS Vanderbilt Ct.view E  

Going south on Clinton Street, turning left on Stewart Avenue past Raymond Court (see the previous page) and into the Roosevelt Field Shopping Mall, where the south marginal road is or flanks where the RoW went easterly and continuing off the marginal road across the east access road (northern continuation of Quentin Roosevelt Boulevard) to the east, where it dead ends as South Street in an industrial area (at what is or was a Civil Air Patrol facility), there was no trace of the LIMP RoW visible.

[As long as I was at Quentin Roosevelt Boulevard, I digressed at this point to visit LIRR Steam Locomotive #35, disassembled prior to moving up to a new museum planned for Oyster Bay.]

The RoW runs due east through industrial back yards and completely resurfaced areas at Meadowbrook State Parkway and Avenue C (now the southern extension of Ellison Avenue) until it crosses Merrick (Post) Avenue just north of Stewart Avenue (no trace anywhere that I could find) and enters Eisenhower (Salisbury) Park (again without evidence).

[Before continuing, I digressed yet again to visit the site of an old LIRR Central Branch/Meadowbrook Spur bridge inside a loop of the Meadowbrook Parkway/Stewart Avenue cloverleaf and then the decayed wreckage of the famed Meadowbrook Club and Meadowbrook Station on the west side of Merrick (Post) Avenue just south of Stewart Avenue; much more detail and history, with photos, is on my LIRR Continuation Page 4.]

The north end of Eisenhower Park is so totally landscaped and heavily wooded that it is not at all evident what happened to the RoW.  The path along the south side of the fence along Salisbury Park Drive, however, is almost certainly the old LIMP; it picks up where the Drive turns eastward from southward and runs right out to the N-S fence at Carman Avenue.  Heavily developed land runs south of the Drive from there east to the Wantagh State Parkway; crossing the Parkway yields a gold mine!  On either side of the eastern end of Salisbury Park Drive East, between the WSP and Grace Lane, just west of Newbridge Raod, we find split-rail fences in concrete posts; first we are looking WNW at the eastern end of the rails on the north side of the Drive about 100 yards east of the WSP, just west of Grace Lane, then WNW at the western end of the fence line just east of the WSP, then crossing the Drive and looking WSW at the western end of the south fence just west of the WSP bridge and then ESE at the eastern end of the fencing across from Grace Lane:

Sal.Pk.Dr.E, NS, split rails E of Grace La., view WNW Sal.Pk.Dr.E, NS, split rails W of WSP, view WNW Sal.Pk.Dr.E, SS, split rails W of WSP, view WSW Sal.Pk.Dr.E, SS, split rails opp. Grace La., view ESE

Now comes the boring part, meandering along easterly through east central Nassau County in Levittown and Plainedge, where the RoW alternates between just that, a right-of-way from the LIPA (LILCo) power lines and a greensward used as parkland by the locals, crossing Gardiners (Cattle) Avenue, Wantagh Avenue, Massapequa-Hicksville Road, and yet another Stewart Avenue with nary a trace of the old Parkway.  Here is a typical view, looking eastward from the crossing of today's Hilltop Road, slightly less than half-way between Newbridge Road and Jerusalem Avenue (both running southerly out of Hicksville).

However, there IS one bright spot, the site of the grandstand (on Page 5).

O.K., things perk up mightily again at this point; in the area of South and North Hermann Avenue and Sophia Street.  First, I picked up the trace at South Hermann Avenue, parking and hopping the fence and hiking eastward into rough woodland just west of the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway (originally the Wantagh-Oyster Bay Expressway).  This area is laced with trails but the old pavement is quite evident and can be followed readily.  The heavily-banked LH (E-to-N) curve IS Dead Man's Curve, which is NOT in Bethpage State Park (about which more later), ENE of the north end of South Hermann Avenue, and was shot facing south (WB) at the south end of one of the LIMP's most abrupt zig-zags.  Next, we have turned around 180° and are looking due north, just east of Sophia Street, alongside the west edge of the SOB toward the heavily banked RH curve heading east and across what is now the SOB, construction of which obliterated a good bit of the LIMP RoW there.

Hilltop Rd. view E Dead Man's Curve at  SOB/Sophia St. WB view S SOB/Sophia St. EB view N

Crossing the SOB, the RoW now runs northeasterly across Central Avenue immediately east of today's Parma Drive (west to today's Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway/I-135 - the berm is still there on the S side of Central) and then across the LIRR tracks.  There really isn't anything at all to see there, although there is an embankment of the east side of Parma Drive south of Central Avenue which I climbed; it is featureless, devoid of anything of note, overgrown, and not at all photogenic.  On the other (northeast) side of the tracks, in the triangle between the SOB to the west and Plainview Road to the east, with Thorne Drive to the south, just above Central, I saw no trace of the LIMP but wasn't terribly diligent nor on foot; perhaps I'd better go back and walk around a bit.  Probably the southern half of Stymus Avenue and Manchester Drive were the RoW just prior to crossing where Powell Avenue eastbound out of Bethpage village becomes Plainview Road.  At this point the RoW enters Bethpage State Park.   rev.gif (12 Apr 05)

Going north in Bethpage State Park from the Plainview Road gate, the paved footpath to the left (west) is almost certainly the RoW.  However, about 500 yards north, the sharp right bend to the northeast, which is now definitely known NOT to be Dead Man's Curve, is flat as a pancake!  [If you go in there, you must park in the parking lot; do NOT leave your car anywhere else as the State Parkway troopers are obliged to nail you and will (I asked).]  I really didn't know what to make of what happened next.  I parked at the Northeast lot off Plainview road and walked southeast a short distance to the RoW  The RoW is immediately south of the LIPA high-tension lines, not under them.  Following the paved RoW northeasterly a few hundred yards brought me to a fork; the paved portion went north-northeasterly while the LIPA lines went easterly!  Being an intrepid (and obstinate) soul, I followed the paving another few hundred yards to where it stopped dead at another fork, continued north-northeasterly on a dirt Jeep trail, and ended up at a narrow animal trail through dense, high grass, probably 'way up near South Park Drive and Jo Ann Drive, where I gave up and backtracked to the first fork.  The first photo here is of the original pavement in rather good condition east of the parking lot with a broad left sweep to the northeast (view ENE).  The second is at the first fork, with the paving continuing straight (N) and a dirt path going off to the right (E) under the wires (view NE).  The last is of the end of pavement on the northbound leg (at left) and another dirt trail off to the right (E) (view NE).

BSP E of Pkg Lot - view ENE BSP 1st Fork NE of Pkg Lot - view NE BSP end of paving NE of Pkg Lot - view NE

Following the dirt paths to the east under the high-tension lines ended me up on the north end of the northeast links where the lines went off to the east and the path abruptly became another animal track through more dense, high grass (I quit).

I had no idea where the RoW exits BSP; it is at Schoolhouse Lane and it crosses Round Swamp Road north of the firehouse (where the berm remains), and continues easterly a short distance through Battle Row Campground and crossed Bethpage-Spagnoli Road (also known as Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road at that eastern end) where Claremont Road and Winding Road all intersect.  The southern (maintenance) gate into Old Bethpage Village Restoration is a short distance west of the RoW, as detailed on my LIMP Page 7, NOT north up Winding Road and the dead end of Swan Court, as previously surmised here.   rev.gif (12 Apr 05)

I went around the OBVR on this trip and went back on 01 Oct 99; see the OBVR section (on the preceding page for space conservation) for that area.

My 1967 Nassau Hagstrom's clearly delineates the LIMP from there on as the southeastern boundary of the OBVR, showing it crossing the Suffolk County line 400 yards north of Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road (now Bethpage-Spagnoli Road).  The RoW woggles drunkenly a few hundred yards easterly on a ridge north of what is now the model flying field and sand pits north of Spagnoli and crosses Route 110 (Broad Hollow/Sweet Hollow Road - {take your pick}.  The LIPA lines run along the high ridge south of there which we saw from the Restoration dump and are shown in the next two photos, viewed from my car on the south side of Spagnoli (view SW, {note the "Wrag-Time" truck in rear-view mirror}) and from a Keyspan Energy (ex-LILCo) facility parking lot on the north side of Spagnoli ~¼-mile west of 110 (view SE).

E end of High Ridge at Spagnoli (SS) W of 110- view SE Center of High Ridge at Spagnoli (NS) W of 110 - view SW

On the east side of Route 110 is a jumble of newer construction and then a LIPA switching station on the north side of Ruland Road.  East of that, things perk up again, because we come to the Melville/Farmingdale Maxess Road area between Ruland and Duryea Roads and the Maxess Road crossing bridge near where I used to work for ultrasonics manufacturer Heat Systems (now Misonix Incorporated) on New Highway.

I had no idea what road the bridge at the northeast corner of Ruland and Maxess carried over the LIMP, although Maxess itself (in an earlier incarnation and alignment) seemed a good possibility.  Whatever, there are the abutments of a long-gone bridge standing just east of Maxess, just N of Ruland, and just south of a stub dead-end street the name of which I completely forgot to note.  There is no parking in the area so a little creative "visiting" is helpful.  The bridge was aligned NNW-SSE over a LIMP RoW aligned (logically enough) WSW-ENE.  it turns out to have been a footbridge!

Maxess/Duryea Road area and bridge material moved to Continuation Page 4.

Beyond the Maxess Road bridge, the RoW crosses Ruland Road going east-southeast, then gets lost in another welter of roads at the intersection of Baylis, Duryea, Ruland, Colonial Spring, and Pinelawn Roads and Wellwood Avenue.

I was going to continue beyond the Wellwood Avenue/Pinelawn Road crossing on the next trip but I thought I'd quit here and let some Suffolk aficionado carry this forward.  Suffice it that I did continue; see my Wheatley Heights/Half Hollow Hills Area section on LIMP Page 7.  I was all wet on where the RoW goes through that place, but it ran through yet another welter of small roads in that area until it came to the intersection of today's Colonial Springs Road, Bagatelle Road and the Long Island Expressway which is about where the RoW headed northeast to where it hit Half Hollow Road ( see my LIMP Tour Page for how the LIMP gets to Ronkonkoma.


Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


note-rt.gif  The index on the LIMP main page and these many pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index preceding the LIMP main page. A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.



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