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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway@

(and related matters)

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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


PAGE INDEX

The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index.

On the main LIMP page:

HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
    continued on LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page.

On Continuation Page 1A:

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On this Continuation Page 4:

Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
Garden City Toll Lodge.
Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
More on Duryea Road Crossing.

    etc. - see the LIMP Index.


This is yet another new (06 Oct 1999) page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.


A Motor Parkway Panel has been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ and in minds and museums.

There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.


RoW = Right-of-Way.


Well, the write-ups and photos of the Roslyn Road and Old Bethpage Village segments on Continuation Page 2 and the whole eastern Nassau/far-western Suffolk run on Page 3, based on my 24 Sep and 01 Oct 1999 trips, were not bad for starters!  That was an auto/foot tour of the crossings of the LIMP with major roads between Roslyn Road and the Maxess Road bridge in western Suffolk County, the area I know best.

Conventions/abbreviations in this description:

N, S, E, W = North, South, East, and West
NB, etc. = Northbound, etc.

On those tours, starting at the south end of the big curve just west of Northern State Parkway/Guinea Woods (Glen Cove) Road on the grounds of the Wheatley Hills Golf Club, the LIMP RoW runs south across Hillside Avenue, Jericho Turnpike, Westbury Avenue, and Old Country Road, turns east and crosses Clinton Street, Raymond Court, Meadowbrook Parkway, Merrick Avenue (Post Road), Eisenhower (Salisbury) Park, Wantagh State Parkway, Newbridge Road (106), Jerusalem Avenue, Hicksville Road (107), Stewart Avenue, Seaford-(Wantagh-)Oyster Bay Expressway, Bethpage State Park, Round Swamp Road, the Old Bethpage Village Restoration, the Suffolk County line, and Walt Whitman Road (110), and then becomes a 13 mile stretch of extant highway now called variously the Vanderbilt Parkway and the Motor Parkway.

The Toll Lodge on Clinton Street in Garden City which I noted previously as having been moved to Garden City village proper sits in lonely splendor in a parking lot just east of Franklin Street on the south side of 7th Street, directly opposite the AAA office.  I forgot to note the name of the road just north of the Maxess Road bridge east of 110; it is Duryea Road and it appears that the LIMP bends north just east of the bridge, crossing Duryea just east of Maxess.  The date on the south abutment of the bridge was not clear.  So, on 06 Oct 1999, I went back to Garden City, photographed the Toll Lodge, and went out to Maxess Road, and took more pictures there.

Old Courthouse Road - Then, a week later (13 Oct 1999), being in the vicinity, I took some pictures of the remaining bridge over the LIMP in New Hyde Park, just southeast of the missing one that crossed the old, narrow Northern State Parkway, a few blocks east of New Hyde Park Road, at the far northwest end of Old Courthouse Road.  While I did not (yet) climb down to the roadbed for a side view of the bridge itself, not being dressed for bushwhacking, here are six shots of the location.  The first is a shot of the area from the far end of OCH Road looking north, then a view NE of the eastern railing and one WNW of the western railing, and shots looking east and west down along the RoW and finally one looking WSW at another of those strange posts with the holes perpendicular to the RoW (the holes must have had a bolt or screw-eye in them) on the NW corner of the overpass.  I knew I really had to get down on the RoW with the digital camera.

MP/OCHR/NHP-SS-view-N   MP/OCHR/NHP-Erail-view-W   MP/OCHR/NHP-W-rail-view-E

MP/OCHR/NHP-ES-RoW-view-E   MP/OCHR/NHP-WS-RoW-view-W   MP/OCHR/NHP-NW-Post-view-WSW
(All photos taken 13 Oct 1999 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Ya know, when ya do something, ya gotta do it right; so I went back to the OCH Road overpass at mid-day on 14 Oct 1999 and found the path down to the RoW at the southeast corner is quite clear after all; no bushwhacking whatsoever (how different from Old Bethpage!).  I don't know what drainage provisions Willie K. made there, but they sure aren't working 96 years later!  It was pretty spongy, with a lot of bluestone laid down by someone to raise the grade but with standing water just below the top of the stone and in wheel ruts; I should'a worn boots or overshoes.  OK, here is a view of the bridge from the east on the RoW, looking west, one of the RoW looking east from under the bridge, one of the bridge from the RoW looking east, one of the Row looking west from under the bridge, and, finally, one looking northwest up at the underside from the RoW, which is in poor shape, with water dripping through (I lightened the picture artificially to try (unsuccessfully) to show the beam detail a bit):

MP/OCHR/NHP-Br-view-W   MP/OCHR/NHP-RoW-view-E   MP/OCHR/NHP-Br-view-E

MP/OCHR/NHP-RoW-view-E   MP/OCHR/NHP-Underside-Br-view-NW
(All photos taken 14 Oct 1999 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Further to the above and to LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway, here are three aerial views of the LIMP RoW in the area, taken from NOAA satellite data:

limplake.jpg/MP-aer-Lakeville/NSP
LIMP at Lakeville Road with driveway from Marcus Avenue into 400/410/420
Lakeville Road in lower left-center, RoW in diagonal tree row just to right (E),
continuing above (N) of Marcus to Northern State Parkway,
and then barely visible in cloverleaf loop in upper right.

limpnhpk.jpg/MP-aer-NHP/NSP

Northern State Parkway at New Hyde Park Road (before reconstruction for S/B ramp
from E/B lanes) with LIMP RoW just out of sight, running W-to-E (L-to-R)
immediately below the bottom edge of the picture.  You can just make out
the entry to "The Gates" at the far lower right and that triangle at lower right center
is the old N/B NHPR exit from, and E/B entrance to, NSP

limpochb.jpg/MP-aer-OCHR-Br

Old Courthouse Road running from lower right at slight leftward (NNW) diagonal
to center right, ending at LIMP RoW running left center to right center and LIMP
bridge [barely visible just L (W) of a vertical white blur], with the former OCHR RoW
continuing diagonally NNW immediately to the right of the houses
and forming the right (E) boundary of "The Gates".

Funny, I had always thought the RoW ran along the ridge just S of NSP on BOTH sides of NHPR; wrong again!  Gotta watch that erratic intuition!

Sal Guccione, who grew up in the bridge area (and contributed his own graffiti back then) suggested in Jun 2001 that Old Courthouse Road ended at the bridge, north of which it then became the entrance to the Ridder Mansion and he assumes Ridder's Pond, at Meadow Farm Road and Marcus Avenue, was named after the Ridders.

On 03 Apr 2000, being with a friend who was a Buckley Country Day School parent, I was able to drive in to today's western end of I. U. Willets Road (a private road, there) from Shelter Rock Road without trespassing and this is what I found:

IUWillets-W-end
(Photo taken 03 Apr 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

Now this is not the LIMP (much as I might have wished it were - it sure looks right!); it is about 200 yards north of the LIMP RoW; but is nevertheless interesting in that it probably is the western end of the straight stretch at the north-south jog in the old Links Golf Club northern boundary, about 250 yards east of where Old Court House Road crossed what is now NSP (the western boundary of Links).  On an enlargement (click on the picture), you can make out the near (south) NSP guardrail in the dead center and at the far right (with a sign).  I. U. Willets used to continue westward; see the I. U. Willets Road Fragment on LIMP page 2.


Further yet to the Continuation Page 1A coverage of the confluence of LIMP/Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway, I went back there, to 410 Lakeville Road, for a physical on 28 Jan 2002 and shot these corresponding pictures in the area, with no foliage to speak of; the first shows the line of trees along the N side of the RoW from the 400 driveway, looking WSW with the Glen Oaks-cum-North Shore Towers golf course on the right, the second the same tree line up close from the end of the fence (with fierce sun glare), the third same tree line and RoW looking W (the LIJ power plant stack was supposed to show; see below*), and the fourth another try up close:

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(28 Jan 2002 photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

Next, looking NNE from the embankment (400 is to the right), the same from down on the driveway, with Marcus just beyond, on the RoW at Marcus with NSP beyond the fence, and then NSP from the fence at the RoW, looking toward the Lakeville Jewish Center:

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Finally, NSP from the fence looking directly at the RoW gap through the trees on the far side in the loop, and panning right (E) to show the present Lakeville Road bridge over NSP, and turning 180°, the RoW across Marcus looking WSW:

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(28 Jan 2002 and 03 Feb 2002* photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved;
* - right-hand picture taken and added 03 Feb 2002.)

* - The right hand picture was taken 03 Feb 2002, a few steps S of the RoW ,
just to align it with the LIJ stack.


Back to Garden City, then; here is the Garden City Toll Lodge (moved from Clinton Street), viewed from the parking lot (view N) and closer (view N), then the south side looking into the toll portico (view E), the northwest corner (view SE, from 7th Street), and finally the east side (view W):

LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - SS view N   LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - SS close view N   LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - WS view E

LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - NWS view SE   LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - ES view W
(All photos taken 06 Oct 1999 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

If you want to visit this lodge and see for yourself, don't go to the Garden City Chamber of Commerce's neat map; I had to remove the link!  It led to the Garden City, MICHIGAN C. of C.; the downtown layout is very similar but the street names were ALL wrong!  Don't go to the Garden City in Kansas, or in Utah , or in the U.K., either.  Garden City, Long Island, New York has its own Web site (21 Sep 2004).

Here's what the lodge once looked like in it's oriiginal location (21 Sep 2004):

LIMP Gard City Toll Lodge - CoC
(Unprovenanced photo, by permission, altered by SB,III from one on Garden City Chamber of Commerce site - all rights reserved)

I have been told that the lodge was once home of the Garden City Public Library (before the present structure was erected) and am checking this out.

Moved from the preceding page, we continue with the 01 Oct 99 trip east of Route 110 in Melville in far-western Suffolk County:

On the east side of Route 110 is a jumble of newer construction and then a LIPA switching station on the north side of Ruland Road.  East of that, things perk up again, because we come to the Melville/Farmingdale Maxess Road area between Ruland and Duryea Roads and the Maxess Road crossing bridge near where I used to work for ultrasonics manufacturer Heat Systems (now Misonix Incorporated) on New Highway.

I had no idea what road the bridge at the northeast corner of Ruland and Maxess carried over the LIMP, although Maxess itself (in an earlier incarnation and alignment) seemed a good possibility.  Whatever, there are the abutments of a long-gone bridge standing just east of Maxess, just N of Ruland, and just south of a stub dead-end street the name of which I completely forgot to note.  There is no parking in the area so a little creative "visiting" is helpful.  The bridge was aligned NNW-SSE over a LIMP RoW aligned (logically enough) WSW-ENE.  it turns out to have been a footbridge! (04 Nov 2004)

Other ways to locate all this are that the bridge site is a few blocks east of, and one block north of, the intersection of Route 110, the south end of Walt Whitman Road, and the west end of Duryea Road (where the Little White Church sits) or immediately northeast of the the north end of New Highway at Ruland Road; the 110 crossing is immediatly south of the big U. S. Postal Facility at Duryea and 110.

The first shot is of the whole bridge area (with the bridge, itself, missing, of course); unfortunately the shade on the north abutment (far left) makes it quite invisible (view ENE).  Next, the west wing-wall of the north abutment (and the abutment face) close up through the brush (view NE), then the south abutment (view SW) and the N abutment face on, again through brush (view NNW):

Maxess N & S abuts ENE Maxess N abut NE Maxess S abut SW Maxess N abut NNW

Moving up to the S abutment as close as the brush and sun angle would allow, I tried to get a picture of the date cast in the concrete; the first two digits, "19", and the final digit, "0", are quite clear but the second ""1", the third digit, is hard to make out.  There is obviously a vertical line there but it is not quite so obvious that it's actually a "1".  Using maximum telephoto didn't help much, either:

Maxess S abut date SSW Maxess S abut date detail SSE
(All photos taken 24 Sep 1999 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Left three are thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]
[R. H. picture NOT a thumbnail.]


Next, my having run across Nassau County to Melville on 06 Oct 1999, here is the purported RoW just east of Maxess Road on the south side of Duryea Road (view S) and the opposing view (N) and then the date cast into the south abutment in a different light (quite literally - views NE and ENE), and finally the view looking into the RoW west away from the bridge site from the west side of Maxess Road:

Duryea SS S   Duryea NS N   Duryea/Maxess NE

Duryea/Maxess ENE   Maxess WS WSW
(All photos taken 06 Oct 1999 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

The third digit is far more evident as a "1" this time, so "1910" it almost certainly is.

I had gone around the OBVR on the first trip (24 Sep 1999) and went back on 01 Oct 1999; see the OBVR section (on that page for space conservation) for that area.

Immediately east of Maxess Road, the high-tension lines cross Ruland Road going east-southeast, and the RoW goes over the bridge and then gets lost in another welter of roads at the intersection of Baylis, Duryea (projected), Ruland, Colonial Spring, and Pinelawn Roads and Wellwood Avenue.

I was going to continue beyond the Wellwood Avenue/Pinelawn Road crossing on the next trip but I thought I'd quit here and let some Suffolk aficionado carry this forward.  Suffice it that I did continue; see my Wheatley Heights/Half Hollow Hills Area section on LIMP Page 7.  I was all wet on where the RoW goes through that place, but it ran through yet another welter of small roads in that area until it came to the intersection of today's Colonial Springs Road, Bagatelle Road and the Long Island Expressway which is about where the RoW headed northeast to where it hit Half Hollow Road ( see my LIMP Tour Page for how the LIMP gets to Ronkonkoma.

However, as a teaser, here is what the crossing of the LIMP over Colonial Springs Road, then a country lane, looked like ca. 1950 (all long gone, now):

Col Spgs Rd ca. 1950
(Photo taken ca. 1950 by Edward P. Babor, courtesy of G. Ridolph - all rights reserved)
[image restored 04 Nov 2004.]

Sic transit gloria mundi
(sick transit reduced glory to the mundane)!


LI MOTOR PARKWAY SPURS

[being dead-ended branches off the main parkway
to reach various features not alongside the RoW]

{Moved to Page 5 07 Nov 1999}


PERSONAL LI MOTOR PARKWAY APOCRYPHA

{Moved to Page 5 07 Nov 99}


Motor Parkway Panel member Tom Walsh contributed an article on the LIMP for Larry Graff's "your About.com Guide to: Long Island, NY".

Motor Parkway Panel member Steve Anderson was quoted in a NEWSDAY article by Sidney C. Shaer, "Highway Hopes That Faded", on page A20 (Nassau edition) of tje Friday, 05 Nov 1999, issue, in the "Long Island - Our Future" series, "Predictions from the past that haven't come true ... yet".

Motor Parkway Panel convenor Sam Berliner contributed the cover story on the LIMP (especially as it traversed the narrow central portion of the Town of Oyster Bay - through Central Park/Bethpage) for the Winter 2000 issue FREEHOLDER, "The History Magazine of the Town of Oyster Bay", the publication of the Oyster Bay Historical Society, of which he is a member.

note-rt.gif  The index on this site's main page and these many LIMP pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index. A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.



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