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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway@

TOLL LODGES

(or booths, kiosks, gates, or accesses,
and related matters)

Motor Parkway Panel Logo [If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{LIMP does NOT refer to rigidity!}

This site has now been visited times since the counter was installed.

LIMP NEWS (Current Events) is now on the host's Continuation Page 0!

This main LIMP page overloaded and I created this page to cover the Toll Lodges more adequately, please visit Continuation Pages as shown above and
in more detail on the LIMP Index Page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization - see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]

[Also - there is a serious image access problem on my site.]

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
  Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[bridge over Westbury Avenue - photo provenance unknown]
{NOT from the Whitten Collection of the Garden City Public Library}


Here's a very simple overview map of the route of the Long Island Motor Parkway:

LIMP Overview Map
(04 Jun 02 map, with more accurate dating 20 Dec 2005;
by and © 2002, 2005 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)


A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to

keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums;
effective 16 Feb 2011, it has been superseded by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.   rev (17 De 2012)

If you transferred here from the MPP page, please see the LIMP index or use the tour arrows at the bottom of this and all related pages.

For a tour guide to the Parkway, see the host's LIMP Tour Page.

Vanderbilt Cup Disclaimer - see the LIMP History Page 2.


PAGE INDEX (truncated)

The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index, which now includes a Geographical Index and LIMP Links.

On the main LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY page:

HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
    Who was George Vanderbilt?
    now continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page 0,
    on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page 1a, and
    on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page 2, et seq.

On this Page:

LIMP Toll Lodges
  &nsbsp: (or booths, kiosks, gates, or accesses) with
List of LIMP Toll Lodges and
List of LIMP Toll Gates.
List of LIMP Accesses.

LIMP History Page )et seq.):

HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
    - continued, with more photographs.

The LIMP Tour Page:

{etc. - see Index page}


RoW = Right-of-Way.


BULLDOZERS ARE SUCH INDISCRIMINATE REVISIONISTS! - SB,III

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

Long Island buffs may wish to look at my Long Island page, et seq.


LIMP Map
Approximate Route of the Long Island Motor Parkway -  ________
Very Preliminary Map
Scale - Flushing (Hillside Avenue#) to Ronkonkoma = 48 road miles
(Long Island Rail Road lines are shown for reference)
{image restored 02 Jun 2015}
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

The above map has been criticized for being TOO approximate; here's a 1927 map
on which all I have done is to add a green highlight between the lines (________),
add some BLUE to Little Neck and Manhasset Bays and Lakes Success and Ronkonkoma,
and approximate the actual final western terminus which did NOT end at Black Stump Road
(73rd Avenue, as shown) but at Horace Harding Boulevard (today's Long Island Expressway),
[which I have extended westward (HHB? - _ _ _ _ ) from what was shown on the old map]
at 193rd Street [WEST (left) and EAST (right)]:

27 LIMP Map W

27 LIMP Map E
(Altered from 1927 NY NEWS Map)
{images restored 02 Jun 2015}
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

These are, however, wrong, WRONG, WRONG!  The LIMP RoW NEVER extended NW beyond HHB!   added (02 Jun 2015)

You'll note that the toll lodges are shown on the original map.

My goal, eventually, is to have a much more accurate and detailed map with all streets and all crossings and alignments shown.



TOLL LODGES

The Motor Parkway was noted for its "twelve" unique little toll houses, termed "toll lodges", some of which which were two-story architectural gems and included rather nice living quarters with one or two bedrooms for the toll takers and their families.  The original toll house from the Garden City (Clinton Street/Glen Cove Road/Guinea Woods Road) entry is preserved in Garden City (on Seventh Street, across from the AAA/ACNY office) as the headquarters of the Garden City Chamber of Commerce.  It was moved to its present location on 11 Mar 1989, and was designed by John Russell Pope, who also designed Manhattan's American Museum of Natural History, Baltimore's Museum of Art, and Washington's National Gallery, National Archives, and Constitution Hall (DAR).  The "twelve" Toll Lodges were:

Nassau Boulevard (Horace Harding Boulevard) Lodge,
Hillside Avenue (Rocky Hill Road) Lodge,
Rocky Hill Road Lodge,
Great Neck Lodge {at Lake Success},
Searingtown Lodge,
Roslyn Lodge+,
Jericho {Turn}Pike (Mineola) Lodge,
Garden City Lodge*,
Meadow Brook Lodge,
Massapequa Lodge,
Bethpage Lodge,
Huntington Lodge,
Babylon Lodge,
Deer Park Lodge#,
Commack Road Lodge,
Smithtown-Jericho Turnpike Lodge,
Brentwood Lodge@,
Central Islip (Wheeler Avenue) Lodge and ,
Ronkonkoma Lodge

Well, now!  That certainly doesn't add up, does it?  Neither do many of the known "facts" about these lodges!  I am indebted to Motor Parkway Panel member Umberto (Al) Velocci, whose years of research at the Vanderbilt Museum and elsewhere have uncovered many startling "new" things about the lodges.  Al has written a book which covers their rather odd beginnings, utilization, and demise or survival:

"The Toll Lodges of the Long Island Motor Parkway,
and Their Gatekeepers' Lives
"

Al Velocci, 2004, ISBN: 0-9761140-3

The Toll Lodges book can be ordered directly from the author; see the LIMP Bibliography page.  [As of 29 Aug 2007, Al advised that he was running low on books; if you want a new copy (or additional ones), better get it/them now.] (as of 29 Aug 2007)

For one thing, not one single one of the lodges was built as originally planned, as luxurious two-story lodges in the true sense of the word, with accomodations for drivers, passsengers, and even chauffeurs, accompanied by service facilities and garages.  The first three, Meadow Brook, Massapequa, and Bethpage, modest little cottages designed by Pope and rushed to completion to be ready for the 1908 running of the Vanderbilt Cup Race, were virtually identical, with a kitchen, living room, and office and a bedroom upstairs, an outside chimney, and elegant brick pillars holding up a one-lane porte cochère.  The next three, Garden City, Roslyn, and Great Neck, also designed by Pope, but on a far stricter budget, were even more modest, slightly smaller, with a central chimey and wooden posts holding up the (originally) one-lane porte cochère.  The first six were the ONLY lodges designed by John Russell Pope!

Later lodges were even more modest and at least one (Mineola) was actually a prefab shipped in from Michigan!

No originals survive, one of the second batch of three (Garden City, but moved) survives almost as built, one (Roslyn) was almost original (until the second floor was expanded in 2007), and two (Great Neck and Mineola) are almost unrecognizable.  One other later lodge (Rononkoma) survives but was moved and lost its porte cochère.  A few others are so heavily incorporated in other, newer structures now as to be virtually unrecognizable.   rev (17 De 2012)

However, none of this explains the odd discrepancy from the commonly-accepted count of twelve lodges!  Why?  Primarily because there never WERE twelve!  There were intended to be, but bad economic conditions intervened.  Some were only toll booths, some became lodges later on, some were moved several times, one of which (Brentwood) kept its name if not its location, and some never even had a tollbooth, being merely grade crossings or, at best, crossings with stop signs or even (later) traffic lights!

When the Parkway closed in 1938, the lodges were offered to the tollkeepers for $500 each [false - only one went for as little as that as an accomodation to a valued employee and most ran $1,500-2,000 and as much as $3,700 (Roslyn), but that also depended on the acreage as well].

+ - The Roslyn Road Lodge still stood, intact (more to follow on this)!

* - The Garden City Lodge was moved, in March 1989, from the eastern end of private stub-street Vanderbilt Court, just north of the school on Stewart Avenue on the east side of Clinton.  The exact locations of the others will follow soon.  Vanderbilt Court (a.k.a. Huntington Road on old maps) is directly across Clinton Street from a point between Pell Terrace and Kingsbury Road.

For more on John Russell Pope, see LIMP page 12.

See photos at my Garden City Toll Lodge feature on Continuation Page 4.

# - See LIMP page 5 - Spurs for more on the Bonwit Inn, at the site of the Deer Park Lodge.

@ - Bob Miller says that the Brentwood Toll Lodge is still in existence today as the Sempre Vivolo Restaurant, moved about 100' from it's original location {696 Motor Parkway, Hauppauge, 631-435-1737}.


List of LIMP Toll Lodges

Let's list the lodges again and tell a little about each of them, but first let's doctor that very simple overview map (above) of the route of the Long Island Motor Parkway and add the locations (approximate in a few cases) of the primary access points, in red:

LIMP Overview Map with Accesses
(22 Oct 04 map by and © 2004 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image; clisk on picture for larger mage]

The key (W to E):

N = Nassau Boulevard (Horace Harding Boulevard)
K = Hillside Avenue (Rocky Hill Road {today's Springfield Boulevard})
G = Great Neck {Lakeville Road}
R = Roslyn Road
M = Jericho {Turn}Pike (Mineola)
C = Garden City (Clinton Road)
W = Meadow Brook (Merrick Avenue)
A = Massapequa (Broadway)
B = Bethpage (Round Swamp Road)
H = Huntington (Broad Hollow Road)
D = Deer Park (Deer Park Avenue)
X = Commack Road
T = (last) Brentwood (Commack Spur, Smithtown-Jericho Turnpike)
I = Central Islip (Wheeler Avenue)
L = Ronkonkoma Lodge (Rosevale Avenue)

The three full barrier gates (N, K, and L) are shown as such.

Nassau Boulevard (Horace Harding Boulevard) Lodge - this was only opened with completion of the western extension in 1926 and there never was a lodge here, although there was supposed to have been an elegant entryway across the western terminus; there was only an access gate there, built in 1928, with the toll being collected at Rocky Hill Road at first.

Hillside Avenue (Rocky Hill Road) Lodge - This was the end of the first western extension of 1911 and a toll booth was placed there (originally manned by the wife of the Great Neck lodgekeeper, who walked over)!  Later, Willie K. built a modest cottage nearby for the tolltaker, which survives.

(We have disagreement here - some maintain that the Hillside Avenue Lodge WAS the Rocky Hill Road Lodge, others that they were separate.  Regardless, there never was a lodge or even an access at Hillside Avenue; the actual access was named for the main western approach highway to the LIMP until the final extension to Horace Harding Boulevard in 1926.)

Rocky Hill Road Lodge (today's Springfield Boulevard) - Hillside Road Lodge or separate or mythical?

Great Neck Lodge {at Lake Success} - second-generation Pope edifice, now buried in the eastern end of a mini-mansion at the original address (357 Lakeville Road).

Searingtown Lodge - although land was aquired in Cedar Heights for the purpose of building a lodge with access from I. U. Willets road, nothing ever came of this.

Roslyn Lodge - another second-generation Pope building, still occupied as a private residence in its original location, 547 Roslyn Road, although now heavily modified.  Still has the original LIMP garage moved there from {where???}.   rev (17 De 2012)

Jericho {Turn}Pike (Mineola) Lodge - originally, there was a hexagonal toll booth here, at the SW corner of the Pike and the LIMP, perched high above the RoW (the LIMP went under the Pike!).  In 1921 a lodge was built, as 191 Jericho Turnpike (and the booth became its chicken coop!), but it had to be moved southward when the Pike was widened (on its S side) in 1927.  Today, the house remains but is so heavily altered as to be unrecognizable except to LIMP cognoscenti; it is at 284 Rudolf Road and the S center face still shows its origins.

Garden City Lodge - here's a fairy tale ending!  The lodge, a second-generation Pope structure, was in constant use from its opening in 1910 through the end in 1938, then was occupied by the lodgekeeper until 1977, when it was sold to a realtor who wanted to tear it down (naturally); rescued and moved to downtown Garden City, it has been restored and is the home of the Garden City Chamber of Commerce, which maintains a small LIMP museum there.

Meadow Brook Lodge - one of the first three Pope originals of 1910, on the W side of Merrick Avenue (or was it Whaleneck Road then?), just N of Stewart Avenue (on the site today - Mid-Island Indoor Tennis at 575 Merrick Avenue, Westbury, 516-832-8010).

Massapequa Lodge - another of the first three Pope originals of 1910, at 301 Broadway/Hicksville Road (today's Route 107).

Bethpage Lodge - another of the first three Pope originals of 1910, just W of Round Swamp Road, where the 1908 Vanderbilt Cup race ran, S of the complex intersection of Hay Path (Farmers Avenue), Bethpage Road, and Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road (the berm for the overpass is still there on the N side of today's firehouse, opposite Battle Row Campground).

Huntington Lodge - a toll booth in Melvillle on the W side of Broad Hollow Road (today's Route 110) until 1922, when a small lodge was put up.

Babylon Lodge - an access at Lee Avenue, just W of Bagatelle Road, this was apprently only an accomodation for the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup race and there is no further mention of it.

Deer Park Lodge - mythical?  An access with no record of any lodge, booth, manned gate, toll collector, tolls, or disposition.

Commack Road Lodge - like Brentwood, this one is confusing; Commack Road, which had an access, is between Deer Park Avenue and Harned Road (the Commack Spur), so how the Central Islip/Wheeler Road Lodge could also be called the Commack Lodge escapes me.

Smithtown-Jericho Turnpike Lodge (Commack Lodge) - this was actually a paired-function toll booth which was the last (fourth) Brentwood Lodge, emplaced at the corner of the old LIMP and the Commack Spur (today's Harned Road) in 1928 and it served both as a regular booth and to get tolls from those motorists using the Spur.

Brentwood Lodge@ - there were several incarnations (at least four) of the peripatetic Brentwood Lodge, only the first of which had any geographical relation to Brentwood in any way (it was at the N end of Washington Avenue), and one was at the NE corner of Commack Road (1922) and another at the SE corner there (1923); one is allegedly incorporated in the Méson Olé Restaurant at nearby 7 Crooked Hill Road (Commack) and another is supposedly now the core stucture of the Sempre Vivolo Restaurant at 696 Motor Parkway (Hauppauge) {more to follow}.

Central Islip (Wheeler Avenue) Lodge - never happened; it was planned but never got built (Wheeler is today's Exit 56 on the LIE/I495).

Ronkonkoma Lodge - originally an open access, later protected by a toll booth (apprently shack was more like it) and then by a proper lodge; most of it survives nearby!

That should get you by; buy Al's book for more detail.


List of LIMP Toll Gates.

From a 1929 LIMP Brochure (on LIMP History Page 0):

TOLL GATES

"Accessibility of Towns by Toll Gates"
[title and list from "LIMP and SUNRISE TRAILS
Main and Secondary Highways" map of 1929
in the 1929 "LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY, INC." brochure,
and maintaining the format and quaint hyphenation]:

Accessibility of Towns by Toll Gates
Great Neck Gate - Great Neck and
Port Washington.
Roslyn Gate - Roslyn, Sea Cliff, Glen
Cove and Locust Valley,
East Williston.
Mineola Gate - Mineola, Jericho
Turnpike.
Garden City Gate - Garden City
Hempstead and Freeport Avi-
ation Fields.
Meadow Brook Gate - Merrick,
Westbury, Wheatley Hills.
Massapequa Gate - Hicksville, Jeri-
cho, Massapequa.
Bethpage Gate - Farmingdale,
Amityville, Cold Spring.
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Huntington Gate - Huntington,
Centerport.
Deer Park Gate - Deer Park, Baby-
lon, Northport.
Brentwood Gate - Brentwood, Bay-
shore, The Islips, Smithtown.
Ronkonkoma Gate - Southerly to
Montauk Highway to Sayville,
Patchogue, The Hamptons and
Montauk Point. Northerly to
North Country Road to Port
Jefferson, Riverhead, Green-
port and Shelter Island.
Smithtown Gate - Jericho Turnpike,
St. James, Smithtown and
Middle Country Road.

[Although the Socony map on the noted History Page was from 1926 or later (it has the western extension to Hillside), the LIMP brochure's map, although dated 1929, does not and there are some discrepancies in the lists and the names.]

The 1929 LIMP Brochure image was on the LIMP Tour page (but now lost) and the tabulation, above, is from it.


List of LIMP Accesses.

Quite obviously, there was access to the LIMP at every toll booth or lodge and there was the Commack Extension (today's Harned Road).  In addition, there were untended gates at which tolls were NOT collected; these seemed to have appeared and disappeared at Willie K's whim depending on the vagaries of LIMP finances.  Among them were accesses at the Links Country Club (I. U. Willet's estaten), a free entrance for the Wheatley Hills Golf Club (neatly bisected by the LIMP), a gate for access to Mitchel Field, three gates (as I recall) cut for the George Vanderbilt revival of the Vanderbilt Cup race in 1936, a gate for the Aviation County Club in Hicksville (apparently never cut), and many others.  The big trick was getting OFF the Parkway; if you didn't have a pass or valid ticket, you couldn't get past the gatekeeper at your exit!   rev (17 De 2012)

[n - Willet's home was where the local farmers came to bring their money
for the ransom of the Lindbergh baby (per Panelist Ron Ridolph).]


Al Velocci, author of the book on the LIMP Toll Lodges, sent a Christmas card for 2005
that is incredibly appropriate and delightful:

AVelocciXmas2005
[Click on thumbnailed picture for large image.]



The main LIMP page overloaded and I created this page to cover the Toll Lodges more adequately, please visit Continuation Pages as shown above and
in more detail on the LIMP Index Page.


LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.

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