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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that these pages could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/lim*.html,
a
"vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}


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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


POSTS and RAILINGS of the
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway

(and related matters)

Motor Parkway Logo [If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{No, LIMP does NOT refer to gender/sexual orientation!}

Please visit the main Motor Parkway page and the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[photo provenance unknown] PAGE INDEX The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the host's main LIMP page, which now includes a Geographical Index and LIMP Links.

On the main LIMP page:
    HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
        continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, et seq..

On Continuation Page 0:
    LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).

On the Western Nassau Page:
    New Hyde Park Posts.

On this LIMP Posts and Railings Page:
    LIMP Posts and Railings - overview.
        {to follow:}
    Vanderbilt Cup Race Railings.
    Cedar Post Railings.
    Concrete Posts.
        Boundary Posts.
        Guardrail Posts.
    Bridge Railings.


RoW = Right-of-Way.


A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.

Events of interest for Panelists and Associates were posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page; those of interest to LIMP afficionados in general were posted at LIMP News on LIMP Page 0.

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.


LIMP POSTS and RAILINGS

This seems about as esoteric as a subject can get, yet the posts and railings are extant examples of Willie K's attention to detail and quality and the several designs of posts evidence his delight in reinforced concrete; the latter grow wild along the banks of the LIMPopo River in Mozambique - and if you believe that, I have gold bricks and a bridge for sale.  Actually, there are at least five (5) basic types of posts along the RoW, many of which survive to this day intact and as strong now, 100+ years later, as the day they were set in place; the concrete posts, in many cases, as strong as the day they were poured (stronger, really, since concrete strengthens as it ages).   new.gif (21 Oct 08)

As can be seen from the index above, coverage of the concrete posts was given on LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).on LIMP page 0.

Some of the detailed information was provided by famed LIMP historian Bob Miller:

The rectangular posts with two or three (or, rarely, four) small 1" holes held spiral or twist wire as guard rails if the holes were parallel to the RoW.

LIMP fence post   LIMP twisted wire
(Raymond Court photos by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Here is a closeup view of a segment of twist wire (from Roslyn Road):

LIMP twist wire
(photo 25 Mar 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on picture for large image.]

On 17 May 2000, being in Garden City anyway and wanting pictures of the General Manager's house, I found an unexpected bonus; opposite the house, on the south side of Vanderbilt Court, are a few remanent posts and several had twist wire still threaded through in the original position (but only in the two lower holes):

Vand Ct posts w/ twist wire
(photo 17 May 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Rectangular posts with small holes held bolts, which in turn held 2" x 6" planks as guard rails, if the holes were perpendicular to the RoW.

Those rectangular posts with the long, rectangular holes held two 2" x 6" planks as rails.

LIMP Clinton ES post NS ~110 yds E view ENE   LIMP Clinton ES RoW rails ~120 yds E view SW
(Clinton Street photos taken 24 Sep 99 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - All Rights Reserved)
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Although I have lifted and moved one three-hole post by myself (one end at a time, when salvaging it from the Half Hollow Hills area road widening), Bob Miller says the full-length posts are about 6' long and weigh some 250 pounds!

The triangular posts were normally located at the 50' mark from the centerline on both sides of the RoW to mark the property line and have little bits of wire sticking out; they probably held fine wire lines to help delineate the boundary.  They are perhaps best seen today immediately east of Hollis Court Boulevard just north of Union Turnpike by the Clearview Expressway (see below).

In some spots where the RoW was constricted, the boundary posts were set at the 25' mark.

In Alley Pond Park on 16 Apr 00, I found original posts (the kind with the hole facing the RoW on both sides), mostly painted a bilious version of NYC Parks green.  Here are two from the north side, one showing an original bolt still in place and the other showing the nut and washer on the back side (first ones I've ever seen).  More about that area on page 6 at Queens Vignettes.

Post/Bolt Alley Pd Pk   Post/Nut/Washer Alley Pd Pk
(Photos 16 Apr 00 by and © S. Berliner, III 2000 - all rights reserved)

Triangular boundary posts are best exemplified by this survivor tucked in between Hollis Court Boulevard and the Clearview Expressway, in south-central Cunningham Park, just north of Union Turnpike in deep brush on the north side of the Parkway (boundary posts point towards the RoW) -

Looking S at the beautifully-restored bridge carrying the LIMP over Hollis Court Boulevard (Union Turnpike in the distance, looking NE at the boundary post with stubs of two wires, a closer look, and a detail shot of the lower wire:


Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk

Looking SE at the back of the post, looking S with a tape measure locked at 2' hanging at the right, and looking SW up the embankmant over "our" boundary post at several guardrail posts on the north edge of the Parkway (note the tilted post at the far right):


Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary/Guardrail Posts Cunningham Pk

Looking NNE back down at "our" boundary post past the intact, vertical, middle guardrail post (with red leaves at the top), looking NE from the tilted post down to "our" boundary post, and looking ENE along the N edge of the Parkway with the red leaves on the middle post, Hollis Court Boulevard in the distance, and the bridge just off to the right:


Guardrail/Boundary Posts Cunningham Pk  Guardrail/Boundary Posts Cunningham Pk  Guardrail Posts Cunningham Pk
(Cunningham Park photos 28 Apr 00 by and © S. Berliner, III 2000 - all rights reserved)
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More than you ever wanted to know about a bunch of old concrete posts!

Problem - certain Panelists disagree, stating that the two different posts with round holes (not the guardrail type) were used interchangeably and directed me to where in Queens I could see such; I have not yet seen any such thing, but reserve the right to eat crow! More detailed information was to be posted here about the follwing:

Vanderbilt Cup Race Railings.
Cedar Posts for Railings (NOT locust posts!).
Concrete Posts.
  Boundary Posts.
  Guardrail Posts.
  Bridge Railings.
{Hopefully, I'll get back to this soon.}


Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.



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