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Updated:   27 Jul 2014; 19:10  ET
[Page created 11 Aug 2000; converted 27 Jul 2014;
  {most Colonial Springs/Wheatley Heights area photos restored 29 Jan 2003}
    original AT&T Worldnet Website begun 30 May 1996.]
Update info on the top on ALL pages for your convenience.

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[was at "home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/limpsuff.html"]

S. Berliner, III
Consultant in Ultrasonic Processing
"changing materials with high-intensity sound"

[consultation is on a fee basis]

Technical and Historical Writer, Oral Historian
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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that these pages could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/lim*.html,
a
"vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}


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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.



LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway

(and related matters)

(in Suffolk County, Long Island, New York)

[If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{No, LIMP does NOT refer to gender/sexual orientation!}

Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit
Continuation Pages 1A, et seq.


PAGE INDEX

note-rt.gif  The indices on this site's home page and these many LIMP pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the main LIMP page.  Each page has its own index.

On the main LIMP page:

HISTORY OF THE LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY,
    now continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, et seq.

On Continuation Page 0:

LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TIMELINE.
LINKS to the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BIBLIOGRAPHY.

On Continuation Page 1A:

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TODAY.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BRIDGES.
LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:

More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
Roslyn Road Fragment.
Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On Continuation Page 3:

>Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:

Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
Garden City Toll Lodge.
Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
More on Duryea Road Crossing.

    On Continuation Page 5:

LI MOTOR PARKWAY SPURS.
PERSONAL LI MOTOR PARKWAY APOCRYPHA,
   and now continued on the LIMP Apocrypha Page.
LEVITTOWN GRANDSTAND AREA
DEAD MAN'S CURVE REDIVIVUS.

On Continuation Page 6:

LI MOTOR PARKWAY at WlLLISTON/ALBERTSON/SEARINGTOWN
    (moved from Page 5 - 28 Mar 00).
Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:

OLD BETHPAGE AREA Update.
ROUTE 110 SAND PITS AREA Update.

On Continuation Page 8:

North Hills.
Mineola-Carle Place.

On this Suffolk Page:

Eastern Terminus (Lake Ronkonkoma).
Half Hollow Hills Area - revisited.


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THIS PAGE WAS EXCEPTIONALLY HARD-HIT BY AT&T's INIQUITY;
SEE SB,III's Contact Page - Problem!
[I hope to recover the remaining missing images soon.]


This is yet another (11 Aug 2000) page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.


There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.


RoW = Right-of-Way.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY -

Suffolk County


EASTERN TERMINUS

of the

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY

at

LAKE RONKONKOMA

On 10 Aug 2000, I took my digital camera out to Rosevale Avenue at the far end of the Motor Parkway, also known from Half Hollow Road to there (incorrectly) as Vanderbilt Parkway and Vanderbilt Motor Parkway.  There is no "Petit Trianon Inn" left out there but I knew there was a dormitory for the Inn workers that still stood as a nursing home.


Well, a few days before, I'd been out there and found it for myself, and I went back to record the following (this is in tour format - not the order in which I took the photos).

First, coming east from Harned Road, shortly after passing a sign (on the right - S) for the "VILLAGE OF LAKE HILLS - RONKONKOMA", we approach the eastern end of the LIMP on the 14-mile extant segment, cresting the road a few hundred yards west of the end and see Rosevale Avenue and the Petit Trianon driveway ahead and then, driving down the hill to Rosevale, both views to the east:

[27 Jul 2014 - I found most of the missing images for this page!]

PT site from MP crest E PT site from E end MP E
(All photos taken 10 Aug 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.]

Please notice that gas station sign on the left, at the station driveway; it roughly marks the site of the toll barrier, which stretched across the LIMP there from a central island and obelisk-like gatepost.

Next, we drive across Rosevale onto the driveway, now called "Lake Drive", take a view, and proceed (avoiding the elderly resident of the home) up the slight grade to the (east) end, again both views to the east:

PT site from W end Laket E PT site from E end Lake E

Note that the cross street at the east end of lake is named "North Washington Street.  It is less than a block beyond to the western shore of Lake Ronkonkoma.

That area where the blue van (with camper top) and the shed beyond the stub fence sit is roughly where the front steps of the Petit Trianon Inn were located.  The 1990 Suffolk Hagstrom's (pp. 12 and 13) shows a North Drive and a South Drive, flanking the Petit Trianon site, extending E one very short block to Beach Road (which runs N-S between them behind where the Inn was) and then a short stub of Lake running E from Beach to the water's edge; I saw no such but will have to return with my camera and hoof it in there.

Turning the car around to face west, there is the nursing home, the "Park Lake Rest Home", on our left, all that remains of John Russell Pope's magnificent Petit Trianon workers dormitory (Vanderbilt always took excellent care of his staff), seen first looking SW and then SSW:

Dorm SW Dorm SSW

It is so overgrown with heavy trees that I'd have to get permission to enter the grounds to get unobstructed views, but - - -.  Here's the Rest Home's "un-welcome" sign:

Dorm Sign S
{no thumbnail}

Here are the Rosevale/Lake street signs (two sets!) and the N. Washington/Lake street signs:

Lake/Rose SW NWash/Lake SE
{no thumbnails}

Moving westward along Lake a little further and turning SSE, here is another view of the dormitory/rest home.  Now, drive back to the light at Rosevale and make a left and then turn left again, immediately, onto Browns Boulevard (that's a laugh - it's a driveway!); the road is rough and overgrown but it gives you a view of the back of the dorm.:

Dorm NNE Dorm SSW

Venturing further in on Browns, there is this view NE of the garage (which may or may not be original, but matches nicely) and then, looking back NNW, of the garage and what little can be made out of the dorm. beyond (that foliage is lush!), with the Browns Blvd. street sign in the middle (WSW):

Dorm NE Browns Blvd./Rose WSW Dorm NNW
{no thumbnail on center picture}

If you venture all the way in on Browns, you can see a bit of the lakefront (don't bother).  Notice also that Rosevale Avenue becomes Lakeshore Drive immediately south of Browns and can take you around the lake, the largest inland body of water (and the largest "kettle pond") on Long Island.

Lastly, as our ship sinks slowly in the west (oops, wrong travelog), we return to Lake Drive and face the setting sun (if it were visible) in the west and show you the LIMP RoW (Motor Parkway) in the distance from directly N of the dorm./home gate, from the crest of Lake about halfway back (west) toward Rosevale, and a similar view from the bottom of the small hill down at Rosevale:

MP from Dorm/Lake W MP from Lake crest W

MP from Lake/Rose W
(All photos taken 10 Aug 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.]

Now, notice that gas station sign on the right, at the station driveway?  It's the other side of the one I noted up above and it is roughly the site of the toll barrier, which stretched across the LIMP there from a central island and obelisk-like gatepost (as noted).

The Ronkonkoma Toll Lodge, where Eric Ericson was the keeper and lived with his wife, Rose, and daughter, Evelyn, was uphill to the right and has been moved even further in that direction (NW) since 1938 but I am not sure which house it is (if it can even be seen from the road); there is a nursery school off the road which might be a logical candidate.

That small green blob above and to the right of the station sign, would, if not so heavily pixelated, read:

VILLAGE OF
LAKE HILLS
RONKONKOMA

Well, like Penn Station, it's all GONE!  Town of Islip officialdom, having no regard whatsoever for history, allowed a builder to tear down John Russell Pope's noble edifice ca. 17 Feb 2006; here are Panelist Howard Kroplick's before and after pictures:

PetTriDormBefore PetTriDormAfter
(photos by, and courtesy of, H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images]

On the May 1925 property map of the sub-division to the N, Lake Ronkonkoma Heights, the dormitory is noted as the "ANNEX":

PetitTrianonMap
(map courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for larger image]

There are also positive things to report as well, from the eastern terminus; out in Lakeland, just W of the far end, Pat Masterson found, and Howard Kroplick photographed, a string of barrier posts, many still with twisted ribbon wire in place (these photos are all in the sequence received except for #3):

LakelandPosts01 LakelandPosts02 LakelandPosts04
01 | 02 | 04

LakelandPosts05 LakelandPosts01 LakelandPosts02
05 | 06 | 07
(photos courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images]

You can see the LIMP RoW (Suffolk County Route 67) in the backgound of picture #5.

LakelandPosts04 LakelandPosts05 LakelandPosts10
08 | 09 | 10

LakelandPosts11 LakelandPosts12
11 | 12
(photos courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images]

LakelandPosts03 LakelandPosts13 LakelandPosts14
03 | 13 | 14
(photos courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images]

It's incredible to find such artifacts intact after nearly 100 years, especially since they've been abandoned for some 70 of those years, and in the middle of one of the world's most heavily-developed suburbs!

[I should have noted that these posts are on the S side of 67, just W of the crest, on VERY PRIVATE property (as the irate owner made eminently clear to us!).]


Half Hollow Hills Area - revisited

Now, shifting gears (well - venue, anyway - you may be shiftless), let's jump back to the Wheatley Heights/Half Hollow Hills area, where Dr. David Eisenberg trekked with camera on Thursday 04 Apr 2002; he sent along these great shots with explanations I have transcribed almost verbatim:

As a reference, if you look at the bottom of page 7 of my LIMP website, there are two photos of the LIPA right of way both east and west of Bagatelle.  The photo on the left, i.e. the west of Bagatelle greensward, shows a plateau traveling N-S just below the power line; here they are again for ease of reference:

["Just S of the LIE, between Threepence ('Thruppence') and Wilmington Drives (as I recall),
the RoW crosses Bagatelle, here viewed WSW and ENE:"]

[27 Jul 2014 - I found most of the missing images for this page!]

LIMP at Bagatelle WSW LIMP at Bagatelle ENE
(Both photos 01 Apr 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for larger images.]

That plateau IS the Parkway.  With that in mind, photo number 6 is taken from atop that plateau looking down the greensward toward Bagatelle:

MP from plateau W of Bagatelle
(Following photos taken 04 Apr 02 by D. Eisenberg - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.
Cropped or altered by SB,III as noted.]

Turning to the right from where Dr. E. stood in photo 6, he faced south along the LIMP Row towards a fence in the distance:

fence at Bagatelle

Walking south, Dr. E. found a patch of LIMP pavement.

paving near fence

Looking through the slats in the fence, into private property,
one can see a good amount of original pavement headed southward
{heavily cropped photo}:

thru fence

Turning left or north along LIMP Row from the location of the original photo {one sees the the RoW climbing away}:

{not titled}

Just south of the LIPA row, west of Bagatelle, you can see the parkway running as a ridge in the north-south direction beyond the fence and before the house:

RoW ridge at Bagatelle

Distant and close-up shots {the latter has been cropped} of an fallen post on the eastern downslope of the ridge carrying the parkway in the woods north of the LIPA Row:

fallen post

closeup of fallen post

It's hard to see, but under the stick in the middle of the following photos is one of several drainage pipes Dr. E. had mentioned to me previously.  This is also taken north of the LIPA Row.  Unfortunately, he did not get to photograph a more visible pipe in the woods east of Bagatelle and north of Threepence (maybe next time).  I added arrows to show the pipe better:

drainage pipe 15/16/00
(Preceding photos taken 04 Apr 02 by D. Eisenberg - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.
Cropped or altered by SB,III as noted.]

In addition to all this on both sides of Bagatelle Road, Mike Abbey has a photo of a drainage grate near Francis Lewis Boulevard on his site (click here to jump there - but hurry back, y'heah?).  I'm glad some of us have eagle eyes!

Because of space limitations, additional information on the Bagatelle area and NE'rly to Half Hollow Road and the extant 14-mile segment (County Route 67) is now on LIMP page A.


Talking of the Wheatley Heights area reminded me that I have an photo of how the rural crossing of the LIMP over Colonial Springs Road, then a country lane, looked like ca. 1950 (all long gone, now):   rev (27 Jul 2014)

LIMP over Colonial Springs Road ca. 1950

{Thought to be unprovenanced, this photo has long appeared on LIMP Page 4}

(I had asked if anyone could identify this most-bucolic photo or provide more information about it;
it turns out it was taken by Edward P. Babor, courtesy of G. Ridolph - all rights reserved)
[image restored 04 Nov 2004.]


Well, Dr. Eisenberg was back around there again with his camera ca. 13 Apr 2002:

South of Colonial Springs Road in Wheatley Heights are wooded areas (behind the stores) where torn up pavement exists.  In the left photo (1) you can see one slab on the left with grey/black macadam present.  In the right photo (2), no obvious pavement was left in place on the ground:

(Following photos taken ca. 13 Apr 2002 by D. Eisenberg - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images (all images reduced by SB,III).]

LIMP at CSR 1 LIMP at CSR 2

This is the LIMP pavement behind the VFW hall north of CSR.  Left photo (3) is looking NNE and right photo (4) is looking SSW; at the distant end of the pavement in the right photo (4) is a mound of dirt beyond which you are looking over CSR to the top of the stores (hard to see) on the south side of CSR:

LIMP at CSR 3 LIMP at CSR 4

This is a view (left - 5) looking west along CSR; the building with the columns on the right (north) is the VFW hall and the store parking lot on the left with the parked cars is to the south.  This is probably the location of that 1950 bridge over CSR that I have pictured above.  Right (6) - looking toward the wooded area on the west side of Bagatelle where the LIMP crossed Bagatelle:

LIMP at CSR 5 LIMP at CSR 6

Left (7) and right (8) are the eastern Bagatelle equivalent with photo 8 just a camera's turn north of photo 7:

LIMP at CSR 7 LIMP at CSR 8

Left (9) and right (10) - about 40 yards into the woods on the eastern side of Bagatelle, one finds the LIMP ridge with a shot of the more visible drainage pipe and it's closeup shot:

LIMP at CSR 9 LIMP at CSR 10

11 - About 10 yards north of the drainpipe on the ridge is this post:

LIMP at CSR 11
(Preceding photos taken ca. 13 Apr 2002 by D. Eisenberg - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images (all images reduced by SB,III).]


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