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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
EXPLORATION

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LIMP NEWS (Current Events) is now on the host's Continuation Page 0!

For more about the Long Island Motor Parkway,
refer to the main LIMP page and the LIMP Index page.

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
  Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[bridge over Westbury Avenue - photo provenance unknown]


Events of interest to LIMP afficionadoes are posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page.


PAGE INDEX

On LIMP Exploration Page:
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 30 Dec 2005.
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 06 Jan 2006.

On this LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1:
    Battle Row Campground - 13 Jan 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 20 Jan 2006.
    Lake Ronkonkoma - 24 Feb 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued on LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2).

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2:
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued from LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1).
    Bethpage State Park - 24 Feb 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 3:
    Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006


BULLDOZERS ARE SUCH INDISCRIMINATE REVISIONISTS! - SB,III

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

Long Island buffs may wish to look at my Long Island page, et seq.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY EXPLORATION

(CONTINUED)

A Motor Parkway Panel
was convened to

keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums.

Members of the Panel worked on the Right-of-Way (RoW) to clear paths, protect the remanent pavement and other artifacts, locate the RoW on maps, monument the Parkway, and also work with civic authorities to establish and preserve the RoW as a hiking and biking path, a variation on "Rails-to-Trails".

We have clipped brush between Clinton Road and Roosevelt Field, blazed a trail (not cleared yet) N of Garden City's Stewart Avenue between South Street and the Meadowbrook Parkway bridge at Merchants Concourse, ditto from Deadman's Curve N across Central Avenue to Powell Avenue (where the RoW turns E across the SOB/I-135), and ditto through Bethpage State Park from the opening in the Botto Farm fence (where the RoW turns N) to JoAnn Drive and Schoolhouse Lane.  We cut a full path across Battle Row Campground from the barricade to Round Swamp Road and cleaned up between the barricade and the office trailer.  Across Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road in Old Bethpage Village Restoration, we completely cleared the RoW between Claremont Road and the farmway bridge (including cutting downed trees) and cleared a narrow trail E from the bridge to the County Line fence (dangerous footing out there) - {as of 19 Jan 06}.

Our next priority was to finish up Battle Row.  It will take a lot more more than just brush cutting to finish the Stewart/Meadowbrook segment and the E end of OBVR; we got Parks help at OBVR and did get State Parks help in Bethpage State Park.


Sometime in early January (probably 07 Jan) 2006, I stopped by at the intersection of Schoolhouse Lane and JoAnn Drive, where the RoW exits the N end of Bethpage State Park to document the dumping of leaves and trash onto State property by whatever municipality cleaned the unpaved sidewalk area the length of the W side of JoAnn; first a view W from Schoolhouse (the LIMP RoW is to the left) and then a view W from the sump area on JoAnn, looking at the trail end exit:

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06 | 07 (13? Jan 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Battle Row Campground - 13 Jan 2006

As far as I can recall, these shots were taken on 13 Jan 2006 when Al and I worked alone at Battle Row Campground one misty morning, before Howard joined us the following weekend and tagged the RoW.  First, looking W over the barricade with Al clipping away, then a longer view W, looking back E at Al resting up again (he works like a trooper - we owe him so much!), a view W from the barricade, and a long shot from the change in paving from LIMP to County W toward the barricade in the mist:

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01 | 02 | 03 / 04 | 05 (13 Jan 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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A quickie 13 Feb 2006 aside showing why we weren't very active on 17 Feb:

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12 (13 Feb 2006 photo by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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That same morning, as I was clearing up the snow (10" on the level, 18" on the car), I uncovered a length of twist wire dug up under the ground cover in Battle Row the week before and not yet hung up in the garage for future preservation and display; the odd part of this is that there are rusty wire ties or coils on it that probably held a NO TRESPASSING sign or some such:

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10 | 11 (13 Jan 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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The top layer of snow was so fine it wouldn't support the twist wire; what was below was definitely NOT fine!


Battle Row Campground - 20 Jan 2006

On Friday, 07 Jan 2006, Panelists Al Velocci, author of the book on the Toll Lodges, Howard Kroplick, lecturer on the Vanderbilt Cup Races, and myself, Convenor of the Motor Parkway Panel, worked at Nassau County's Battle Row Campground, due S across Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road from Old Bethpage Village Restoration (OBVR).  Our objective was to clear the entire path of the LIMP RoW from where it enters the Campground from Round Swamp Road to where it exits on Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road just W of Claremont/Winding Road (NW from the incinerator).  That didn't quite happen; it was more than a day's work to cut that tangle.  So, on the following Friday, 13 Jan 2006, Al and I finished up from the embankment above Round Swamp Road to the office trailer, except for two exceptionally resistant bramble patches; we'll go back for those and the stretch from the trailer to Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road.  Remember that there was no such road back when the Parkway was running; the LIMP crossed Round Swamp Road on a bridge, dipped into a cut where the Campground is now, rose to cross Claremont where the S service entrance to OBVR is now (at the N end of the wye) and then followed a ridge to a hollow and rose again for the western Clody Farmway Bridge (the survivor) and on to the county line fence at the sand pits.

The photos which follow for the Friday, 20 Jan 2006, operation were taken by Howard Kroplick and are presented as thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images).

First, looking E toward the barricade, there's Al, clipping low, and me, clipping high; it is usually the reverse. Next, we have a view looking W over the broken edge of the paving on top of the E abutment, across Round Swamp Road to the driveway N of the firehouse/EMS facility; the berm of the RoW was there, dead ahead in the NW corner of the white fences, until recent expansion cut it away.  Then a view to the W from the barricade and a particularly-sensitive shot looking E at Al sitting on the barricade, resting from his labors:

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The next shots all show the view over the barricade uphill to the W; the last shows the terrible clumps of prickers/briars/brambles/thornbushes/what-have-you on either side of the RoW immediately W of the barricade:

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[These captions are mine and are from memory and subject to Howard's review!]

Another spot of incredible beauty on the RoW of the Long Island Motor Parkway!  For our next trick, we will clear those clumps and turn E.

Well, not quite; next week.  We had the opportunity to mark out the RoW in Bethpage State Park for professional clearing by the staff and so we (Al, Howard, Pat, and I) diverted our attention there on 27 Jan 2006; my, that was really tough going!

On Fridays 03 and 10 Feb, Al Velocci worked alone in Battle Row Campground, removing the last of the huge briar patches west of the barricade and then working east from the office trailer to Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road and finding another post in its original position and one broken, some more twist wire, and original cedar* posts still standing!  This next Friday, 17 Feb 2006, was not good for any of us and, although it turned out to be a beautiful day, threatened rain, and there was snow on the ground, so we cancelled.

Now, after all this continuing great news, we have suffered a tragic loss.  John Russell Pope's magnificent dormitory, or "Annex", at the Petit Trianon site in Ronkonkoma is GONE - see the Suffolk County page.

However, Pat Masterson, just named an Associate Member of the Panel for all his hard work, coincidentally found more posts, out in Islandia (not Lakeland), which Howard Kroplick photographed - see the same page, but scroll down on the page from the link.


Lake Ronkonkoma - 24 Feb 2006

On 24 Feb 2006, we (Al, Howard, and I) took a "side trip" to document those posts along Suffolk County Route 67, the former LIMP, just W of the Lake and the site of the Petit Trianon Inn and the Annex (workers' dormitory).  Getting there before the others, I went beyond to the relocated Ronkonkoma Toll Lodge, now about 100' W and somewhat N of its original position astraddle the RoW, at 2555 Motor Parkway:

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13 | 14 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Left - looking NNE  |  Right - looking N
This is a private residence - do NOT intrude or trespass!

Then I went to the end, to the service station on the NW corner of 67 and Rosevale Avenue and took pix of the signage there and S across 67; an interesting mélange of somewhat-conflicting information:

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15 | 16 | 19 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Enlarged, they are easier to read:

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{15} WELCOME TO / LAKE HILLS / RONKONKOMA

{16} LIEUTENANT JOHN P. NAPOLITANO PARKWAY
SUFFOLK COUNTY ADOPT-A-HIGHWAY / IN MEMORY OF / MATT SCHIFANO

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15x | 16x | 19x (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

{19} LT. JOHN P. NAPOLITANO PARKWAY / RONKONKOMA, NEW YORK / Home of the Brave

Turning around and going one block S on Rosedale and left into Brown Road, I took a discouraging shot N of the site of the Annex/Dorm from its former rear driveway and then went around onto Lake Avenue and took an even-more-discouraging S view of the site - so much for John Russell Pope and history - thanks, Islip:

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17 | 18 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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The three of us linked up and wandered around, getting kicked off the RoW by a local who claimed ownership (no such) and documenting a 600' string of barrier posts still strung with twist wire on the S side of the RoW/67 just W of Nichol's Road and E of the sharp downhill curve (which the locals would like to see eased - and properly so).  We then crossed the RoW (very carefully) and walked back E on the N side, spoke with the Deputy Mayor, who lives there, and I spotted a broken post (that's Howard) and he spotted a standing post:

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20 | 22 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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How many times I and many others have driven slowly along the Western Terminus, looking for the very same posts that are so very obvious now that we've seen them!

We then piled into Al's car and wandered around Lake Avenue and the public park S of Brown Road, where Howard showed us an old photo of the Petit Trianon Inn/Restaurant right after completion (note the dirt driveway), a 1912 poster for the Inn, and a view from the rear "piazza" looking E towards the lake:

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(images courtesy of H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
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Howard took several locating shots, one of the line of giant pines that seem to remain from the S boundary of the Inn property and one from the shoreline approximating the view from the piazza (which was sited further uphill and W, inland behind a fence that now encloses the site):

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(24 Feb 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
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Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006

On my way home from Ronkonkoma, I stopped off at Battle Row Campground to meet Al and see the results of his lonely labors and the cedar poles* he had found.  He had used an ice scraper to lift areas of loam and roots off the pavement E of Round Swamp Road and W of the barricade and had raked and trimmed quite a bit; very impressive work, indeed!  Here's a view W from the change of pavement W of the "plaza" N of the office trailer, the change itself, and a small portion scraped clear W to the barricade: rev.gif (21 Oct 08)

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36 | 37 | 38 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Going around the barricade and wondering about posts I used to see along the N side of the RoW, I may have become delusional, but is that a barrier post I see smack in the middle of the picture, taken looking N from the N end of the barricade, and even a boundary post just beyond it against a tree?  Then, scraped clear midway between RSRd and the barricade to the W and another view E across the barricade:

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39 | 40 | 41 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Al showed me the line of cedar poles*; they are absolutely incredible!  in the few years before the concrete posts were set up, the LIMP used cedar* poles to hold restraining wires and these dozen or so are still standing after 95 some-odd years!  They are on the S side of the RoW starting roughly 50 yards NE of the office trailer and running ENE towards the intersection of Winding Road and Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road.  Climbing up through the underbrush to the poles, we passed the broken post and the standing post again and then following the ridge that is the S edge of the RoW, there are the poles, the easternmost of the line looking ENE: rev.gif (21 Oct 08)

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23 | 24 | 25 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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* - I am using the arbitrary designation of "poles" to differentiate the cedar poles from the later concrete "posts" of various types.  Note also that the poles are CEDAR, not locust as originally reported (per Al Velocci from LIMP purchasing records in the Vanderbilt archives) (21 Oct 2008)

At this point, I managed to run out of film, ran for more, shooting the broken post (N) and the standing post (NNE) on the S side of the RoW between the "plaza" and BSHRd before continuing along the line of poles:

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27 | 28 | 29 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Here is a different shot, in later light, of the line of poles running ENE, one taken midway along the line, and one near the end of the line (with B-SHRd at left, the transfer station across WRd through the brush at right, and a swampy area and drainage pond out-of-sight at right):

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30 | 31 | 32 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Heading back WSW, I picked up a broken pole and leaned it against a tree and took a picture, and another closer up so you can see the wire staples driven into the pole to hold the wires (and still there!):

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33 | 34 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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What a find!  Here's an enlargement of the two upper staples from the previous shot and then, leaving, I climbed up the steep N bank and shot a broken N barrier post:

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34x | 35x (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Unfortunately, this page has overloaded, so this long 24 Feb 2006 saga is continued on LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2.


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