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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
EXPLORATION

Motor Parkway Panel Logo [If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{LIMP does NOT refer to rigidity!}

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LIMP NEWS (Current Events) is now on the host's Continuation Page 0!

For more about the Long Island Motor Parkway,
refer to the main LIMP page and the LIMP Index page.

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
  Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[bridge over Westbury Avenue - photo provenance unknown]
{NOT from the Whitten Collection of the Garden City Public Library}


Events of interest to LIMP afficionadoes are posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page.


PAGE INDEX

On LIMP Exploration Page:
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 30 Dec 2005.
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 06 Jan 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1:
    Battle Row Campground - 13 Jan 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 20 Jan 2006.
    Lake Ronkonkoma - 24 Feb 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued on this LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2).

On this LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2:
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued from LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1).
    Bethpage State Park - 24 Feb 2006.
    Bethpage State Park Atrocity (sort of) - 04 Jul 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 3:
    Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006


BULLDOZERS ARE SUCH INDISCRIMINATE REVISIONISTS! - SB,III

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

Long Island buffs may wish to look at my Long Island page, et seq.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY EXPLORATION

(CONTINUED)

A Motor Parkway Panel
was convened to

keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums.

Members of the Panel worked on the Right-of-Way (RoW) to clear paths, protect the remanent pavement and other artifacts, locate the RoW on maps, monument the Parkway, and also work with civic authorities to establish and preserve the RoW as a hiking and biking path, a variation on "Rails-to-Trails".

We have clipped brush between Clinton Road and Roosevelt Field, blazed a trail (not cleared yet) N of Garden City's Stewart Avenue between South Street and the Meadowbrook Parkway bridge at Merchants Concourse, ditto from Deadman's Curve N across Central Avenue to Powell Avenue (where the RoW turns E across the SOB/I-135), and ditto through Bethpage State Park from the opening in the Botto Farm fence (where the RoW turns N) to JoAnn Drive and Schoolhouse Lane.  We cut a full path across Battle Row Campground from the barricade to Round Swamp Road and cleaned up between the barricade and the office trailer.  Across Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road in Old Bethpage Village Restoration, we completely cleared the RoW between Claremont Road and the farmway bridge (including cutting downed trees) and cleared a narrow trail E from the bridge to the County Line fence (dangerous footing out there) - {as of 19 Jan 06}.

Our next priority was to finish up Battle Row.  It will take a lot more more than just brush cutting to finish the Stewart/Meadowbrook segment and the E end of OBVR; we got Parks help at OBVR and did get State Parks help in Bethpage State Park.


Unfortunately, the LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1 overloaded, so this long 24 Feb 2006 saga is continued here.

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When we left off, I had photographed the cedar* poles, still standing, that preceded the concrete posts in Battle Row Campground.

Finally, I went back to the "Plaza" W of the office trailer and E of the old W section of the RoW in BRC and shot W from the place where the park paving ends and the original LIMP paving heads W to the barricade and beyond.  Just look how beautiful it is now that we (especially Al) cleared it!  Turning NNE and shooting down, there's the break, from upper L (N) to lower right (S) and, after strolling halfway towards the barricade, and a lovely view to the W:

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36 | 37 | 38 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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When I used to wander in here years back, there were both a few barrier posts and some boundary posts to the N of the W section, so I looked very carefully but only spotted this possibility through the impenetrable brambles, first looking NNE from just NW of the barricade and then NNW from just NE:

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39 | 42 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Between those two shots, I strolled in further W and took these two shots of the original paving scraped clear by Al just E of the broken edge (E) of paving above RSRd and again midway back toward the barricade (E):

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40 | 41 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Two more pix and our ship will sail away from beautiful Battle Row.  On the way back to the "Plaza", I took an undocumented shot I can not figure out; as far as I can tell, I am facing N and that light, horizontal line may be either a huge downed tree trunk or Sand Road.  Sand Road is on an old map Al dug up and it was, in effect, a farm bypass around the N edge of the LIMP between RSRd and Claremont and Winding Roads; it's still there, plain as day (altough no sand shows any longer).  Walking out to BSHRd N of the office trailerr, I turned left (W) and shot this view of the naturally-clear RoW of Sand Road:

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43 | 44 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Bethpage State Park - 24 Feb 2006

As the sun sinks slowly in the W, we wend our weary way to Bethpage State Park to check up on progress there.  It took great patience not to bug the staff at Bethpage State Park, to wait until I finished up at Battle Row, and to walk in from the Schoolhouse Lane/JoAnn Drive entrance, but I managed to hold my anticipation in check.

I was rather apprehensive that nothing had been done, since no changes were visible from the path, and I went for a long hike around the NE end of the park before ending up on a cross trail W that put me more or less in the middle of the Botto farm area and there it was - CLEARED!  Well, knocked down, anyway; you can look N or S and see a horizon, not merely brush and treetops!  Yee-hah!

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45 (24 Feb 2006 photo by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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BSP personnel were in there with equipment and partially cleared the better part of the RoW between the fences, from just N of the Botto gate to just S of the Botto bridge embankment.  Going S to the mountain of brush piled at the S end of the clearing, I took a picture of it (TRIUMPH!) but forgot to shade the lens and then I went around S to the Botto fence gate (or what was left of it after mountain bikers ripped it out and stripped away much of the fencing, as well (not to mention racing madly around blind corners, cutting down trees, and chewing up the trails).  Once there, I could see BIG changes to the N horizon!  Here are the destroyed Botto fence gate looking N (look just how FAR you can now see!):

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46 | 47 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Walking N from the fence, there's that fallen tree with the orange traffic cone 100' or so N of the gate with the huge S tangle beyond and then a shot up close to the S tangle:

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48 | 49 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Lastly, approaching the N tangle (they are only a dozen yards apart, having been pushed up from the opposite ends of the work zone), we are looking at the S end of the N tangle and finally right inside it looking N and up - "up" because that pile's man-made, not the way we left it a few weeks ago!

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50 | 51 (24 Feb 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Working around the E side of the tangle, where we had clipped a narrow path to bypass it while flagging the RoW for the BSP crew, and looking N, WOW, it's CLEAR, as shown in Picture 45, above!  It will be great to finally see the full length fully cleared and usable!  Another incredibly beautiful segment of the Parkway being restored to public access; a gem in the Park and real feather in Bethpage State Park management's cap!  Thanks, folks!


On Friday, 10 Mar 2006, we took it easy; I showed Al and Pat the progress at BSP and then Al and I showed Pat the cedar* poles at BRC, following which they had to leave so I continued on to OBVR, where I did some more clipping and threw aside a lot of wind-downed branches.  One tree is down partly across the RoW at the access road just W of the bridge.  But, first, I cleared my way down to the inside corner of the fence at the NW corner of Claremont and Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road, where we have reason to believe the N boundary of the RoW may have passed.  I got all excited when I thought I spotted a broken post but it was only a loose piece of concrete; I found nothing but evidence of the extensive work done in the area when B-SHRd was extended W from the County line and Spagnoli Road (11 Mar 2006)

I would like to make a personal observation here (this IS my site, after all); it is very heartening to see that people are already using the portions of the RoW that we have opened up.  We can easily tell by the trampling of brush beyond just what we did.  However, at risk of angering some exceedingly-irresponsible bikers, the damage done in BSP by "maddened mountain bikers" is just incredible.   If bikers can't find some way to reign in their less-civilized colleagues, they will probably soon find the Park closed to all of them.  It will be a shame if the actions of an aggressive few spoil the enjoyment of the majority.

* - I am using the arbitrary designation of "poles" to differentiate the cedar poles from the later concrete "posts" of various types.  Note also that the poles are CEDAR, not locust as originally reported (per Al Velocci from LIMP purchasing records in the Vanderbilt archives) (21 Oct 2008).


Bethpage State Park Atrocity (sort of) - 04 Jul 2006

As the sun sinks slowly in the W, indeed!  We worked so hard to clean up in the State Park and I went out of state for two weeks and returned to a flurry of agitated messages that LIPA (the Long Island Power Authority, our "friendly" local electric and gas company) was tearing out the SW end of the Motor Parkway in the Park!  In total disbelief, I went over on the evening of the Fourth of July to see for myself; in spite of Panelists's constant requests that LIPA "do no harm", LIPA and its contractor had apparently completely stripped away the entire 1908 pavement and later 3' extensions all the way from the entry road from Powell Avene E of the Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway (I-135) through the beautiful and bucolic banked curve northward toward the Botto fence!  As it turns out, after meeting on site with the LIPA and Keyspan project managers and a LIPA environmentalist on 06 Jul 2006, the paving is possibly not gone.

Messages were sent to all the officials from the Governor, Parks Commisioner, and County Executive on down, and to LIPA Chairnan Richard M. Kessel, who had promised to respect the Parkway, and we can hopefully get the RoW regraded and banked, but the historic pavement has been damaged in at least two places.

Here's what I saw:

{Photos taken at dusk; artificially lightened}

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(04 Jul 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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1 - After the RH turn coming up from Powell, this is what greets you
(that's the RoW to the left of the access road)!

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(04 Jul 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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2 (L) - Standing in the center of the intersection of the LIPA RoW and the Picnic Area parking lot driveway, looking WSW;
3 (R) - standing in the center of the intersection of the LIPA RoW and the Picnic Area parking lot driveway, looking ENE.

[In fairness to LIPA; this is their power line RoW, NOT the LIMP RoW.]

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4 (L) - Banked curve looking WSW;
5 (R) - banked curve looking ENE.

[This IS the LIMP RoW.]

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6 (L) - Banked curve looking N toward Botto fence;
7 (R) - pavement remains at NW of banked curve.

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8 (L) - Pavement remains at NE of banked curve;
9 (R) - on RoW N of banked curve looking toward Botto fence.

No use crying over spilt milk but, oh, how it hurt!  As my message to Mr. Kessel noted, "Who authorized this disaster?  Who owns the property (which was turned over to Nassau County in April 1938 by the Parkway and over which LILCo had a right-of-way only)?  Where was the EIS and its historical provisions and where were the public hearings?  Why were Panelists's pleas ignored?"  Also, "your right-of-way along the Long Island Motor Parkway through Bethpage State Park is 100' wide and that the original 1908 paving you destroyed was 16' wide, centered, and that it included two later 3' wide concrete additions on either side, bringing the paving to 22' width.  That left you 39' on either side which could have been used by simply trenching, instead of expensive bulldozing and removal.  Had you chosen to use the southern side, no pavement destruction whatsoever would have been necessary."

Easy does it!  The picture's nowheres near as bleak as it appeared at first glance - what actually transpired is that the sea of mud obliterated some of the LIMP features but they may well still be in there.  LIPA trenched in a few spots only and directional drilled between the trenches and believes that the original paving should still be intact under the mud in the banked curve,,where the three cables were pulled under the LIMP paving.  They did, however, bulldoze some of the edges to remove trees, which is why we see broken 1910(?) trap rock and concrete at the edges (pictures 7 and 8, above).  After all the hooraw dies down, they will determine just what has to be done and make every good faith effort to repair the damage; that is certainly a reasonable approach and I propose to hold off until then.

To clarify just what is what in the area, I have created a sketch map (an extension of the JoAnn-Schoolhouse Lane map), showing the LIMP RoW in red, the LIPA power line in blue, and a smattering of other features:

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(06 Jul 2006 map by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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The only damage other than at the banked curve (where the power line intersects the LIMP RoW S of the northward continuation through the Botto fence) is in the area between that and the Picnic Area parking lot driveway, where heavy equipment avoided the deep mud by driving on the LIMP paving.  Let us be patient.

That lone boundary post just W of the driveway survived and, while loose, is now flagged for preservation.

However, I feel a little savage in that the "historian" hired by LIPA did not turn up the LIMP; I tried Googling the phrase "Long Island Motor Parkway" and got ~810 hits, with my main LIMP page first, and then the four words alone, "Long", "Island", "Motor", and "Parkway", and got ~856,000 hits, again with my main LIMP page first.  In both cases, my main Motor Parkway Panel page came up next, as a sub-heading, followed by Steve Anderson's NYC Roads site's LIMP page, with his LIE (MP exits) page as a sub-heading, and then Kevin Walsh's Forgotten NY and Art Huneke's aRRt's aRRchives LIMP pages.  Kinda hard to miss, eh?


Well, so much for LIPA's guarantees!  See Continuation Page 3, Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006.


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Whew!  Posting all this is too much like work!  You VILL ENCHOY!



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