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S. Berliner, III
Consultant in Ultrasonic Processing
"changing materials with high-intensity sound"

[consultation is on a fee basis]

Technical and Historical Writer, Oral Historian
Popularizer of Science and Technology
Rail, Auto, Air, Ordnance, and Model Enthusiast
Light-weight Linguist, Lay Minister, and Putative Philosopher



note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that these pages could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/lim*.html,
a
"vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}


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Long Island Motor Parkway Page

Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
EXPLORATION

Motor Parkway Panel Logo [If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{LIMP does NOT refer to rigidity!}

This site has now been visited times since the counter was installed.

LIMP NEWS (Current Events) is now on the host's Continuation Page 0!

For more about the Long Island Motor Parkway,
refer to the main LIMP page and the LIMP Index page.

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
  Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[bridge over Westbury Avenue - photo provenance unknown]
{NOT from the Whitten Collection of the Garden City Public Library}


Events of interest to LIMP afficionadoes are posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page.


PAGE INDEX

On LIMP Exploration Page:
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 30 Dec 2005.
    Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 06 Jan 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1:
    Battle Row Campground - 13 Jan 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 20 Jan 2006.
    Lake Ronkonkoma - 24 Feb 2006.
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued on this LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2).

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2:
    Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006
        (continued from LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1).
    Bethpage State Park - 24 Feb 2006.
    Bethpage State Park Atrocity (sort of) - 04 Jul 2006.

On this LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 3:
    Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006.
    Roslyn Road RoW - 24 Feb 2007.
    Battle Row - 01 Feb 2007.


BULLDOZERS ARE SUCH INDISCRIMINATE REVISIONISTS! - SB,III

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

Long Island buffs may wish to look at my Long Island page, et seq.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY EXPLORATION

(CONTINUED)

A Motor Parkway Panel
was convened to

keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums.

Members of the Panel worked on the Right-of-Way (RoW) to clear paths, protect the remanent pavement and other artifacts, locate the RoW on maps, monument the Parkway, and also work with civic authorities to establish and preserve the RoW as a hiking and biking path, a variation on "Rails-to-Trails".

We have clipped brush between Clinton Road and Roosevelt Field, blazed a trail (not cleared yet) N of Garden City's Stewart Avenue between South Street and the Meadowbrook Parkway bridge at Merchants Concourse, ditto from Deadman's Curve N across Central Avenue to Powell Avenue (where the RoW turns E across the SOB/I-135), and ditto through Bethpage State Park from the opening in the Botto Farm fence (where the RoW turns N) to JoAnn Drive and Schoolhouse Lane.  We cut a full path across Battle Row Campground from the barricade to Round Swamp Road and cleaned up between the barricade and the office trailer.  Across Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road in Old Bethpage Village Restoration, we completely cleared the RoW between Claremont Road and the farmway bridge (including cutting downed trees) and cleared a narrow trail E from the bridge to the County Line fence (dangerous footing out there) - {as of 19 Jan 06}.

Our next priority was to finish up Battle Row.  It will take a lot more more than just brush cutting to finish the Stewart/Meadowbrook segment and the E end of OBVR; we got Parks help at OBVR and did get State Parks help in Bethpage State Park.


Unfortunately, both the LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1 and the preceding Continuation Page 2 overloaded, so this long saga is continued here.

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Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006

When we left off, we were considering conflicting claims about LIPA (the Long Island Power Authority) having destroyed the beautiful, bucolic curve where the LIPA RoW intersects the LIMP RoW more-or-less in the middle of Bethpage State Park (see sketch map, below).

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(06 Jul 2006 map by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image; click on the picture for a larger image]

The major damage is at the banked curve (where the power line intersects the LIMP RoW S of the northward continuation through the Botto fence), in the area between that and the Picnic Area parking lot driveway.  Also, we were concerned for a lone boundary post just W of the driveway which somehow had survived and, while loose, was flagged for preservation.

Well, so much for LIPA's guarantees!  Being in the area on Saturday, 28 Oct 2006, I drove in to the Picnic Area parking lot, walked due E to the construction area, coming out of a cross-trail about half way between the parking lot entrance and the cable crossing, and turned E and walked a very short distance to the initiation of the curve, and what I saw in the distance sure didn't bode well (left picture, below)!  Walking closer, I saw some LIMP paving piled at the SE corner (center) and then, walking out into the clearing of the LIPA RoW and turning back, shot the right picture, below, of the pile:

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(28 Oct 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

Looking across the LIPA RoW confirmed my worst fears, however; there, out in plain sight, was the smoking gun, Evidence A, a huge pile of large pieces of original 1910(?) LIMP paving (looking SE, immediately following and left, below):

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(28 Oct 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

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(28 Oct 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Perhaps we should be grateful to LIPA for preserving the remnants of the beautiful curve, but I must admit that gratitude was not foremost in my mind.  Crossing the clearing and looking back along the LIMP RoW, there is the big pile of what was a beautiful and historical curve (center, above) and then, continuing NNE along the LIMP to the remanant Botto fence, there is our cleared RoW, heavily overgrown already (right, above).

Turning back at the ruined Botto gate, there is the RoW stretching back toward the crossing - and how we wish it to look soon from there NNE to JoAnn/Schoolhouse - (left, below),  Next, I trekked back to the car and drove half way from the parking lot WSW on the entry road to where we had left the lone surviving post under Howard's tape, off the N verge; the softening of the ground from all the digging had caused it to tilt and settle even more but it is still standing (center, below) and then, walking out onto the LIPA RoW, now beautifully regraded and reseeded, there is our lonely post, out in the open, looking south (right, below):

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(28 Oct 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Because the post is so hard to make out through the brush in the center photo, here is a blow-up of that photo:

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(28 Oct 2006 photos by and © 2006 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

Back to the negotiating table with LIPA!

On the way back to the car, I cut across the area NE of the Picnic Area parking lot on the old hiking trails through the heavy woods and the destruction of the park by savage bicyclists is simply appalling; there MUST be some responsible cyclists out there who can reign in their less-civilized brethren.

Roslyn Road RoW - 24 Feb 2007

We have to thank Panelist Al Velocci, who whiled away his time between writing LIMP books by clearing the entire Roslyn Road-LIRR Oyster Bay Branch segment down to the original paving with some help from, and documentation by, Panelist Howard Kroplick.  Here, from Howard, are pictures of the RoW on 09 May 2003, 04 Aug 2006, and on 22 Jun 2006:

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(09 May 2003 and 22 Jun 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
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Wow!  What a feat!  Here are our two intrepid "hackers", Al (l.) and Howard (r.) on 04 Aug 2006:

AlV-04Aug06RosRd HowK-04Aug06RosRd
(09 May 2003 and 22 Jun 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

Battle Row - 01 Feb 2007

Howard visited the LIMP RoW in Battle Row Campground on 01 Feb 2007 and it still "looks great except for a big tree across the ROW near the road".  We'll have to see what we can do about that:

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(09 May 2003 and 22 Jun 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

In the third picture, looking NE across Bethpage-Spagnoli Road toward the Old Bethpage Village segment, you can see some of the old cedar* barrier fence poles, still standing in the evening mist.

* - I am using the arbitrary designation of "poles" to differentiate the cedar poles from the later concrete "posts" of various types.  Note also that the poles are CEDAR, not locust as originally reported (per Al Velocci from LIMP purchasing records in the Vanderbilt archives) (21 Oct 2008).


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Whew!  Posting all this is too much like work!  You VILL ENCHOY!



[Pictures of older and newer explorations were to be added as time permitted
and as they occurred.]



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