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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


note-rt.gif  The indices on this site's home page and these many LIMP pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index.     {etc. - see the LIMP Index.} A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.


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LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY
EXPLORATION

[If my discs weren't floppy, my photos wouldn't be LIMP!]

{LIMP does NOT refer to rigidity!}

LIMP NEWS (Current Events) was on the host's Continuation Page 0 but is now closed.

For more about the Long Island Motor Parkway,
refer to the main LIMP page and the LIMP Index page.

Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
  Motoring on the Early Motor Parkway
[bridge over Westbury Avenue - photo provenance unknown]
{NOT from the Whitten Collection of the Garden City Public Library}


Events of interest to LIMP afficionadoes were posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page.


PAGE INDEX

On this Page:

Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 30 Dec 2005.
Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 06 Jan 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1:

Battle Row Campground - 13 Jan 2006.
Battle Row Campground - 20 Jan 2006.
Lake Ronkonkoma - 24 Feb 2006.
Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006.
    (continued on LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2).

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 2:

Battle Row Campground - 24 Feb 2006.
    (continued from LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1).
Bethpage State Park - 24 Feb 2006.

On LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 3:

    Bethpage State Park Evidence - 28 Oct 2006


BULLDOZERS ARE SUCH INDISCRIMINATE REVISIONISTS! - SB,III

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

Long Island buffs may wish to look at my Long Island page, et seq.


LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY EXPLORATION

A Motor Parkway Panel
was convened to
keep the Long Island Motor Parkway alive in Situ and in Minds and Museums.

Members of the Panel worked on the Right-of-Way (RoW) to clear paths, protect the remanent pavement and other artifacts, locate the RoW on maps, monument the Parkway, and also work with civic authorities to establish and preserve the RoW as a hiking and biking path, a variation on "Rails-to-Trails".

We have clipped brush between Clinton Road and Roosevelt Field, blazed a trail (not cleared yet) N of Garden City's Stewart Avenue between South Street and the Meadowbrook Parkway bridge at Merchants Concourse, ditto from Deadman's Curve N across Central Avenue to Powell Avenue (where the RoW turns E across the SOB/I-135), and ditto through Bethpage State Park from the opening in the Botto Farm fence (where the RoW turns N) to JoAnn Drive and Schoolhouse Lane.  We cut a full path across Battle Row Campground from the barricade to Round Swamp Road and cleaned up between the barricade and the office trailer.  Across Bethpage-Sweet Hollow (Spagnoli) Road in Old Bethpage Village Restoration, we completely cleared the RoW between Claremont Road and the farmway bridge (including cutting downed trees) and cleared a narrow trail E from the bridge to the County Line fence (dangerous footing out there) - {as of 19 Jan 06}.

Our next priority was to finish up Battle Row.  It will take a lot more more than just brush cutting to finish the Stewart/Meadowbrook segment and the E end of OBVR; we got Parks help at OBVR and did get State Parks help in Bethpage State Park.


Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 30 Dec 2005

On 30 Dec 2005, Panelists Al Velocci, author of the book on the Toll Lodges, Howard Kroplick, lecturer on the Vanderbilt Cup Races, and myself, Convenor of the Motor Parkway Panel, worked at Nassau County's Old Bethpage Village Restoration (OBVR) to clear a path from the western Clody* Farmway Bridge eastward to the County Line fence separating the Restoration from the 110 Sand Co. operation in Suffolk County (as of 01 Jan 06).

* - according to Al Velocci, both the bridge in OBVR and the one incorporated in the sand loader at 110 Sand were on the Clody property, so I will adopt the convention of "western" and "eastern" to differentiate them.

I had crashed through heavy brush to the fence on
01 Oct 1999 but the undergrowth, which was nearly impassable then, was far more so later.  Call it an obsession if you will, but I was determined to open up the RoW to the fence and Al and Howard went along with my determination.  I should note that we had been doing so elsewhere on the LIMP RoW but this was the first segment I am documenting here; I was to be backtracking in this coverage, as well as working forward as more exploring occurred.   rev (27 Jul 2014)

All the photos which follow for the Friday, 30 Dec 2005, operation were taken by Howard Kroplick (they are numbered per the four groups of ten in which they were taken (1-1 through 1-10, 2-1 through 2-10, 3-1 through 3-10, and 4-1 through 4-10) and are all presented as thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images).

First, here are views of the western Clody Farmway Bridge looking S across the former OBVR dump (now more of a swamp or quagmire), walking S through the mess and finally up close, and then, having walked around to the W to an access road and then S to the RoW and E up onto the bridge, the sole remaining complete stanchion (on the N side), with the broken crowbar still in the ball where I had put it years ago:

22Dec05OBVR1-1 22Dec05OBVR1-2 22Dec05OBVR1-3 22Dec05OBVR1-4 22Dec05OBVR15
(22 Dec 2005 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

There is a stanchion to the E of that one but it has no ball.

Next, a picture of the S parapet looking down on the cleared dump (there's Howard's shadow), a shot of the African veldt - no, it is from the hillside NW of the bridge looking out over former Clody or Powell farmland to the N of the OBVR service road, me all hunched over clipping brush down low while Al clips higher, and two more distant views showing our progress into the tangles, all looking E from the bridge:

22Dec05OBVR1-6 22Dec05OBVR1-7 22Dec05OBVR1-8 22Dec05OBVR1-9 22Dec05OBVR1-10

Howard did some climbing and clambering and here are views of the seldom-seen S face of the bridge and the W abutment, and a close up of the date cast into the concrete (1910), and a view looking back underneath to the S:

22Dec05OBVR2-1 22Dec05OBVR2-2 22Dec05OBVR2-3 22Dec05OBVR2-4 22Dec05OBVR2-5

A close-up of the later flood control channel looking N under the bridge, toppled barrier posts S of the bridge up against the S boundary fence, a gap cut in the fence (by trespassers/vandals), and then a red ribbon Howard used to mark the path, remanent pavement, and concrete posts (Howard has a penchant for discovering "concrete!"):

22Dec05OBVR2-6 22Dec05OBVR2-7 22Dec05OBVR2-8 22Dec05OBVR2-9 22Dec05OBVR2-10

As we hove into view of the eastern boundary fence, we could see the sand heaps on the other side in the massive 110 Sand Co. property, which stretches nearly from the LI Expressway to Bethpage-Spagnoli Road and from the county line almost to Route 110 (Broad Hollow Road); footing became quite treacherous as we approached the fence along the RoW and, TRIUMPH!, there we are, two happy warriors at the fence (Al did most of the heavy clipping there and I did the trimming), and then the incredibly-jumbled debris pile just W of the fence;

22Dec05OBVR3-1 22Dec05OBVR3-2 22Dec05OBVR3-3 22Dec05OBVR3-4 22Dec05OBVR3-5

The debris is mostly LIMP paving, pushed westerly back when the sand pits were cut out of the Clody farm, before Nassau County fenced in the Restoration property.

More of the debris, a happy camper (me) at the clearing at the fence, and the 110 piles, looking ESE, near and far:

22Dec05OBVR3-6 22Dec05OBVR3-7 22Dec05OBVR3-8 22Dec05OBVR3-9 22Dec05OBVR3-10

One of Howard's ribbons indicating the path just 35 yards E of the western Clody Farmway Bridge, a view easterly along the RoW over the bridge, showing exposed pavement, a broken boundary post 100 yards W of the bridge, in the S embankment (the top is missing at the lowest twist wire hole), a view westerly from the base of a long upgrade (an incredibly beautiful spot), and a view to the S from the crest, looking over the industries on the N side of Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road (the eastern extension of Bethpage-Spagnoli Road in Nassau County):

22Dec05OBVR4-1 22Dec05OBVR4-2 22Dec05OBVR4-3 22Dec05OBVR4-4 22Dec05OBVR4-5

Lastly, we have an extension of the previous view from the crest looking SSW to the incinerator stacks E of Winding Road S of Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road, a view easterly back down the cleared RoW from near the crest (you can see what I mean by "beautiful"), Al sawing intruding branches, me heaving brush off the RoW, and, finally, a view from the crest looking SSW down at the industrial sumps/reservoirs E of Claremont/Winding Road and N of Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road:

22Dec05OBVR4-6 22Dec05OBVR4-7 22Dec05OBVR4-8 22Dec05OBVR4-9 22Dec05OBVR4-10
(22 Dec 2005 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

I probably should note that the RoW W of Claremont Road rises over a rather steep hill and then drops into quite a long cut in surprisingly rough terrain before leveling out near the bridge.


Old Bethpage Village Restoration - 06 Jan 2006

Well, Al and Howard and I were joined by Pat Masterson on Friday morning, 06 Jan 2006; Pat brought his loppers, which are an invaluable asset, and Howard brought a new toy, a miniature battery chainsaw (I brought my 30" Swedish bow saw - my own "batteries" didn't give out until mid-afternoon when Pat spelled me when I was cutting an 8" tree trunk across the RoW).

We started about half way between the crest of the hill and Claremont and worked our way to above Claremont, where things peter out because the whole area was apparently bulldozed into oblivion when Suffolk County's Spagnoli Road, which ended at the county line, became Bethpage-Spagnoli Road and was expanded westward into Nassau County, to Round Swamp Road and Haypath, as Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road.  Having done that, we retraced our steps eastward, widening the clearing to the full 16" as we went, all the way back to the bridge.  Then we continued eastward to the fence, clipping the thick brush back only slightly because the far E end of that area is not really safe for normal strolling.  Both Pat and Howard took many photos; Pat's came in first (L = Left, LC = Left Center, C = Center, RC = Right Center, and (obviously) R = Right - the order of the photos, not politics - with direction following the usual NESW compass points (such that "8NNW" means photo #8 looking North-NorthWest):

L - 1W - the tangled thicket above Claremont; you can see a trailer parked on Claremont;
LC - 2W - me (trailer beyond), Al, and Howard in conference;

note the post "holding up" the tree at right;
C - 3NE - Howard logging GPS location at N boundary post, OBVR S service road beyond,
Powell Farm pond in L distance, meadow in C, and N end of sand pits at far R; Al busily clipping away;
RC - 4NE - Howard getting it "KORREKT"!;
R - 5S - one of several N boundary posts E of Claremont:

[These captions are mine and are from memory and passed Pat's review!]

06Jan06OBVR01 06Jan06OBVR02 06Jan06OBVR03 06Jan06OBVR04 06Jan06OBVR05
(06 Jan 2006 photos by P. Masterson - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

L - 6N - me with my bowsaw, cutting one of the incredible lianas while Al holds it;
note the N boundary post with a tree growing over it;. LC - 7E - Howard logging the NE end of the bridge;
C - 8NNW - looking up, over trash, at W abutment{?};
RC - 9N - looking up at S side of bridge;
R - 10NNW - W abutment:

06Jan06OBVR06 06Jan06OBVR07 06Jan06OBVR08 06Jan06OBVR09 06Jan06OBVR10

L - 11E - E abutment with date at top center; minimal lime leaching but NO rust leaching;
LC - 12W - SW corner of W abutment, with junk dumped there;
C - 13E - underside of SE end of bridge; concrete coat under girders has spalled off
but the girders are good and sound!;
RC - 14N - broken post outside S boundary fence {? - odd};
R - 15N - dead center of bridge with broken crowbar in stanchion;
there's one other stanchion, without a cap, invisible to the right:

06Jan06OBVR01 06Jan06OBVR02 06Jan06OBVR03 06Jan06OBVR04 06Jan06OBVR05

L - 16S - looking straight down at trash under S side of bridge; note flood control weir;
LC - 17ENE? - broken paving at E end of RoW in OBVR;
C - 18ESE - padlocked gate S (arguable) of RoW in E boundary fence (sandpits beyond);
RC - 19ESE - NO TRESPASSING sign on gate, facing Nassau County!;
R - 20E - end of the line - the RoW at the fence, with Broman's 110 Sand pits beyond:

06Jan06OBVR01 06Jan06OBVR02 06Jan06OBVR03 06Jan06OBVR04 06Jan06OBVR05

L - 21S - looking down on really odd zig-zag in S boundary posts (note S fence);
there is a third post just barely visible outside the fence
(this is about 100' E of the county line fence);
C - 22N - old Powell Farm pasture fence still standing N of RoW, about 100 yards E of Claremont;
R - 23N - same view of Powell fence, one panel E of previous shot:

06Jan06OBVR21 06Jan06OBVR22 06Jan06OBVR23
(06 Jan 2006 photos by P. Masterson - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

[These captions are mine and are from memory and subject to Pat's review!]

Next, here are Howard's photos from our 06 Jan 2006 OBVR caper [once again, L = Left, LC = Left Center, C = Center, RC = Right Center, and (obviously) R = Right - the order of the photos, not politics - with direction following the usual NESW compass points (such that "8NNW" means photo #8 looking North-NorthWest)]:

L - 1WSW? - Al clipping away just E of the tangled thicket above Claremont;
LC - 2W? - a N boundary post about 100 yards E of Claremont;
C - 3NE - a remanent row of N boundary posts about 150 yards E of Claremont;
RC - 4SE? - another N boundary post about 150 yards E of Claremont;
R - 5E - Pat pulling up twist wire he found S of those posts:

[These captions are also mine and are from memory and subject to Howard's review!]

06Jan06OBVR6-01 06Jan06OBVR6-02 06Jan06OBVR6-03 06Jan06OBVR6-04 06Jan06OBVR6-05
(06 Jan 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

L - 6E - sighting along the line of N boundary posts E of Claremont;
LC - 7E - the easternmost of the N boundary posts;
RC - 8WSW? - the section of twist wire Pat pulled up;
R - 9W - another N boundary post with a tree growing over the top:

06Jan06OBVR6-06 06Jan06OBVR6-07 06Jan06OBVR6-08 06Jan06OBVR6-10
(06 Jan 2006 photos by H. Kroplick - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the picture for larger images]

[These captions are also mine and are from memory and subject to Howard's review!]


On 13 Jan 2006, we attacked the RoW through Battle Row Campground; widening the trail we cut earlier from Round Swamp Road to Bethpage-Sweet Hollow Road just W of Winding Road (opposite the Claremont Road service gate into OBVR).  We expected to finish this up on 20 Jan 2006.


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Whew!  Posting all this is too much like work!  You VILL ENCHOY!



[Pictures of older and newer explorations were added as time permited
and as they occurred; continued on LIMP Exploration Continuation Page 1.]



note-rt.gif  The index on this site's main page and these many LIMP pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index.

A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.



Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


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