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Long Island Rail Road Page 10

RAILROADING



LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD

continued

(and related Long Island railroad information) LIRR Keystone

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this continuation page to fit the LIRR and related information, as well as several other continuation pages.
You may wish to visit my RR page, as well.

Also, LILS - the Long Island Live Steamers courtesy page had to be moved to a separate page.


There are two related topics here on these pages:
(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroad information.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there remain some offical documents with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately, "Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered on the LI Railroads page.


INDEX:

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

NOTE:  To conserve space, I have severely truncated the index on this page; see the LIRR index page.

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, etc.

MODEL RAILROADING

On the (first) LIRR page:
    Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter (National Railway Historical Society)
    Sunrise Trail Division (Northeastern Region, National Model Railroad Association)
    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee

(Friends of Locomotive #35 Incorporated)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35
    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration
(Railroad Museum of Long island)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LIRR Continuation Page 1a:
    LIRR FIRSTS
    LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY

On the LIRR Continuation Page 2:

    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany
    Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
    Central RR of LI - moved to this page 5 on 17 Dec 00

and now to a separate CRR of LI page on 17 Feb 2002.
    Dashing Dan and Dottie.

On the LIRR Continuation Page 3:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower
    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

On the LIRR Continuation Page 4:
    Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings, Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard

and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
    LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
    LIRR HELP

On the LIRR Continuation Page 5:
    Central RR of LI - moved to separate CRR page on 17 Feb 02.
    LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)

Locust Valley Station
Glen Street Station (update)
Oyster Bay Station (moved to LIRR page 7 on 23 Sep 02)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 6:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower (cont'd)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 7:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2 and 5)

Oyster Bay Station (moved from LIRR page 5 on 23 Sep 02)
Oyster Bay Station Photos
Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On the LIRR Continuation Page 8:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2, 5, and 7)

More on Oyster Bay Station (moved from LIRR page 5 on 23 Sep 02)
More Oyster Bay Station Photos
More Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On the LIRR Continuation Page 9:

Glen Head Station ca. 1925
LIRR P54 "Ping Pong" Car Baggage Racks
LIRR VW Railbuses
LIRR on the FGC

On the LIRR Continuation Page 10:

The Death of PD Tower.
The Branch (Five Towns).
    Mystery Right-of-Way.

On this LIRR Continuation Page 11:

Long Island City Trip (ca. 2002?).   movedhere (09 Dec 2014)
LIRR Photo Album in the 1907 Convention Issue of the Electric Railway Journal.,
        in turn in Traction Heritage, Vol. 4, No. 12 (09 Dec 2014).
Jamaica Station Canopy Clearance.   added (03 Feb 2017)

LIRR Class MP41 All-Steel Motorized Electric Passenger Car (1905) Page,
        with 1906 and 1911 text, dimensioned drawings, and photographs (08 Feb and 09 Dec 2014).
  Street Railway Journal, Vol. XXVIII, No. 6, 11 Aug 1906:
    All eleven full pages, 216-226,
    Drawings, Figures 1 through 7 and 10 and 11.
    Detailed sections of drawings, Figures 1, 4, 5, and 10.
    Photographs, Figures 8 and 9 and 12 through 16.
  NYCTA Drawings of the 1904 Gibbs IRT Subway Car.
  Street Railway Journal, 1911, (in Traction Heritage, Vol. 2, No. 1) -
    New Steel Motor Cars of the Long Island Railroad {sic} (09 Dec 2014).

On the Central RR of LI Page:
    Central RR of LI - moved 17 Dec 00,

and again on 17 Feb 02 to a separate CRR of LI page.

Salisbury Plains Station ca. 1973
(Salisbury Plains Station on the LIRR Central Branch ca. 1973.)
[Cropped from photograph courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved.]

    Bethpage Branch.

On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:
    Long Island Railroads [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)]

On separate pages:

Long Island Live Steamers

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.

Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.


Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)

A great group of miniature live steam (and diesel and electric) operators running at mostly 1½" scale (also some 1" and rare 3/4") in Southaven Park at the intersection of William Floyd Parkway (Suffolk County Route 46) and Sunrise Highway (U.S. Route 27); their site with their PUBLIC RUNNING SCHEDULE and some other live steam links, has been moved to a separate page.


LONG ISLAND CITY TRIP - I ran across 15 undated (ca. 2002?) old 35mm slides which puzzle me; they include photos I've been looking for BUT - I didn't normally take slides (color transparency film).  The pictures start on the Montaukl cutoff, wander through Degnon Terminal, and seem to end up at the turning loop at Sunnyside Yard (with a detour to Dutch Kills).  new.gif (31 Aug 2012) and movedhere (09 Dec 2014)

[Could these be from a walking tour of the Degnon Terminal yard and surrounding area on 15 Sep 2002, conducted by J. J. Earle {?}, with Bernie Ente along?]

[Ref. Model RR Page 2 / Degnon Terminal}

Anyone knowing better on any of my captioning please feel free to let me know.  We start on the ground in Degnon Terminal, looking west at the beginning of the grade up to the Montauk Cutoff (image 01), then further south, still looking west up towards the Degnon Switch (02), then up on the Cutoff, looking north to the Switch (03) (that's the then-new Long Iland City Citibank building in the distance past the far (north) side of Sunnyside Yard}, and finally further north, almost at the Switch (04):

LICTRip01 LICTRip02 LICTRip03 LICTRip04
(photos from the collection of and © 2012 S. Berliner, III, - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed images for larger pictures]

Next, we are starting down the Degnon lead, looking NNE (05), further down the lead, looking NE (06), on the ground in the Terminal at Skillman Avenue and (perhaps) Austell Place looking NE (07), and further along Skillman, looking NE at the IDCNY (Interior Design Center of NY) building on Thomson Avenue:

LICTRip05 LICTRip06 LICTRip07 LICTRip08
(photos from the collection of and © 2012 S. Berliner, III, - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed images for larger pictures]

Hurrah!  At long last, here are pictures (09, 10, 11) of that huge ex-U. S. Army 12-wheel heavy-duty flat car, flanked by a pair of trucks from an ALCo FA-1 or FA-2 that were once in front of 31-02 47th Avenue (unfortunately, they got "redecorated" before these pictures were taken and I still haven't located my older shots). 

LICTRip09 LICTRip10 LICTRip11
(photos from the collection of and © 2012 S. Berliner, III, - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed images for larger pictures]

Walking back west on 47th to the south end of 29th Street, here's the north end of Dutch Kills (12), what appears to be the SE end of the Sunnyside loop track (13), Trakker loco 602 heading around the loop from Penn Station in Manhattan (14), and, finally, looking back along the loop WSW {?} towards where we just were (15):

LICTRip12 LICTRip13 LICTRip14 LICTRip15
(photos from the collection of and © 2012 S. Berliner, III, - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed images for larger pictures]

These shots, whether or not I took them, were definitely NOT taken during the last fan trip into the yard before the Degnon switch was torn out; we didn't wander afield on that trip.

I'll reprint my maps of the area and the Terminal itself here for reference (from Model RR page 2):

Degnon Terminal Map - 2002/3 Degnon Terminal Sketch - 2000
[Map (left) by and © 2003 | sketch (right) by and © 2000/2012 - S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved.]
(NOT to scale)


Edward M. Koehler, Jr., noted LIRR and New York City transit historian, was kind enough to send me the following:   added.gif (09 Dec 2014)

LIRR Photo Album in the 1907 Convention Issue of the Electric Railway Journal,
        in turn in Traction Heritage, Vol. 4, No. 12:

SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg29
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 29]
SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg30
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 30]
SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg31
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 31]
 
(click on thumbnailed photos for much larger images)
 
SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg32
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 32]
SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg33
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 33]
SRJ/TH1911V2No1Pg34
[SRJ/TH Vol. 4, No,. 2, Page 34]
 
(click on thumbnailed photos for much larger images)
 

[I am indebted to Ed Koehler for the above reprint; he sent it to me back in May of 2014 but, in the excitement of posting MP41 data, I completely forgot to post this material; sorry Ed!]


Jamaica Station Canopy Clearance -   added (03 Feb 2017)

Somewhere in all these LIRR pages I had a posting of an event that seems to have evaporated; global searching for "canopy" and "clearance"and even "Century" and "GP38-2" availed me naught.  Sooo, here we go again!  When the Century 420 four-axle, 2,000HP diesel-electric road switcher locomotive, powered by the V-12 251 engine, was introduced, 22 passenger models were made for the Long Island Railroad in 1963, supplemented in 1968 by an additional order of eight more with Alco's Hi-Ad trucks, 200-207 in 1963-4, 208-221 in 1964, and 222-229 in 1968..  The LIRR jumped the ALCo ship in 1976, turning to GM's EMD for their 2,000HP four-axle GP38-2, powered by the durable and reliable 16-cylinder 645E engine, 22 in 1976 (250-271 ), delivered in LIRR bicentennial scheme, and six more in 1977 (272-277).

That's all well and good BUT - I can't recall which of the two locos was involved here; almost-certaainly the GP38-2, since ALCo would have known better.

Regardless, the public introduction of the new locomotives was elborately staged at Jamaica Station with all sorts of hoopla.  After speeches and such, the first new loco approached dramtically from the west (from the Morris Park shops) and majestically approached the west end of the station platforms and the assembled multitude.  At the last second, the engineer slammed on the brakes and came to an abrupt stop!

No one had checked the clearance envelope of the new cab and it exceeded the canopy clearance of the 1913 station!

To heck with "back to the drawing board"; "back to the shops"!  Those locos already delivered had to go back for modifications and all subsequent production revised to pull in the location and angle of the sloped cab roof edges.



[This page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]



You may wish to visit the Railroad Continuation Page, et seq.

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