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Long Island Rail Road Page 2

LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD

continued

(and related Long Island railroad information)

LIRR Keystone

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this continuation page to fit the LIRR and related information and even another continuation page.
You may wish to visit my RR page, as well.

Also, LILS - the Long Island Live Steamers courtesy page had to be moved to a separate page.


There are two related topics here on these pages:
(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroad information.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there remain some offical documents with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately, "Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered here.


INDEX:

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

NOTE:  To conserve space, I have severely truncated the index on this page; click HERE to go directly to a separate, full LIRR index page.

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, etc.

MODEL RAILROADING

On the preceding (first) LIRR page:

Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter (National Railway Historical Society)

Sunrise Trail Division (Northeastern Region, National Model Railroad Association)

    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee

(Friends OF LOCOMOTIVE #35 INCORPORATED/Oyster Bay Railorad Museum)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35

    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration

(Railroad Museum of Long island)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LIRR Continuation Page 1a:

LIRR FIRSTS (moved from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 01)
LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY (moved from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 01)

On this LIRR Continuation Page 2:
    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany
    Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
    Central RR of LI - moved Continuation Page 5 on 17 Dec 00.
    Dashing Dan and Dottie

On LIRR Continuation Page 3:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower
    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

On LIRR Continuation Page 4:
    Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings, Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard

and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
  LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
  LIRR HELP

On LIRR Continuation Page 5:
    Central RR of LI - moved to this page 17 Dec 00.
    LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)

Locust Valley Station
Glen Street Station (update)
Oyster Bay Station

On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:

Long Island Railroads [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)]

On separate pages:

Long Island Live Steamers

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

Brooklyn Historic Railway Association and the legendary LIRR Atlantic Avenue Tunnel.

Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.

Note:  There is also a Long Island Rail Road Historical Society, run by Dave Morrison, retired in May 1999 as Branch Line Manager - Port Jefferson, Oyster Bay, and Patchogue-to-Montauk Branches, and the reigning expert on the Penn Station (and Grand Central) eagles*; it's an internal LIRR employees and retirees group which can be reached by snail-mail at "Oyster Bay Train Station, Oyster Bay, New York  11771" (where they have an exhibit in the waiting room).  They can be reached through Dave.  Dave is also the author of a book of LIRR steam locomotive photos (see the LIRR Bibliography - with a special offer for readers of my RR pages).


Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)

A great group of miniature live steam (and diesel and electric) operators running at mostly 1˝" scale (also some 1" and rare ¾") in Southhaven Park at the intersection of William Floyd Parkway (Suffolk County Route 46) and Sunrise Highway (U.S. Route 27).
Their site, with their PUBLIC RUNNING SCHEDULE, has been moved to a
separate page.
There are some other live steam links there.

See also HOW TO BOOT A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE or

How to hostle without really tiring -
(Firing up a cold oil burner - 1:1 scale, that is).

MAJOR REFERENCE LINK!

Jeff Scherb's great "The Model Train Magazine Index (new URL) - An index to Model Railroad magazines from 1933 to the present", formerly sponsored/hosted by Accurail and now by Kalmbach.

Accurail produces among the finest HO and N freight car models, Kalmbach is one of the two top RR publishers, and Jeff gives us an unparalled access to old articles on models and prototypes; while it's not particularly rich on LIRR prototypes (~37 entries), I strongly recommend Jeff's great work to you.


ODD INTERLUDE AT WRECK LEAD

When I was a lad (i.e.: the late '40s), my dad had a 14' Old Town canoe all decked out for paddling, sailing, and motoring. With two pair of double paddles ably plied by him and Mom, my sister, or me, the little canoe left a wake.  When we were abominably lazy, becalmed, or panicked (by a squall or such), down went the 1.7HP Evinrude kicker and awaaaaaaay we went.  But much of the time in salt or brackish water (in other words, when NOT on Raquette Lake in the Adirondacks) was spent around Long Island's South Shore between lowered leeboards and under a lateen-rigged Ratsey and Lapthorne sail, tacking back and forth all over Reynold's Channel and the western reaches of Great South Bay.  A favorite midday run was from the Woodmere docks on Broswere Bay, out to the Channel, east past Long Beach, up Middle Bay and Baldwin Bay into Milburn Creek, and so to my dad's partner's house on a canal, from whence Mom would retrieve us by car.

Well, it doesn't take too much knowledge of the geography of the South Shore of Long Island to see that such a jaunt takes one to the LIRR's Wreck Lead Draw, the drawbridge over Reynold's Channel between Island Park and Long Beach.  We usually hit it around noon on a Saturday or Sunday, just about when the morning beach rush hit.  As we tacked neatly alongside and blew our little tin whistle, the bridge tender would scream at us to strike our mast and go under.  You can guess what kind of "going under" we'd have done if we'd stood up and tackled the gear in a canoe in the middle of Reynold's Channel, which has a vicious rip.  So, we would holler back that we were a fully-rigged vessel and that he should G-d damn well raise the draw or be reported; whereupon he would yell back that he'd be eternally damned if he would. This resulted in a lot more tacking, tooting, and threatening until either a larger vessel came along and forced the bridge to open or he'd tire of our threats and raise it after a half hour or so.  He then had the cute little habit of dropping the span before we were quite through.  By half-capsizing, we always managed to squeak under.  The tender never caught us, but never tired of this game, either.  What a fiend!  Clearly, he was eternally damned over and over each summer.  Could he have been mad old Sam Eldred, the Wreck Lead tender of 1904, resurrected?  [This last is a refernce to an article in the NRHS-LIST SEMAPHORE ca. September 1991; the story related here is adapted from one printed in the October 1991 SEMAPHORE.].

My memory may be a wee bit off on this, perhaps.  I think that the old draw span didn't truly lift up so much as swing sideways and up, collapsing like a parallelogram as it went.  Anyone remember better?  And just how many of you knew where Wreck Lead is, anyway, before reading this, eh?

The foregoing was printed in the June 1991 issue of the Long Island-Sunrise Trail Chapter (NRHS) SEMAPHORE.

Recreated (lost) 28 Jul 98        Updated:  04 Jul 97, 02:30


Long Island Rail Road
(and Railroad) Miscellany

If you are on Long Island or in the area and have never seen with your own eyes a PRR Kiesel tender body separated from its frame, now is the time to visit LIRR G5 4-6-0 #35, where just that has happened after moving the engine and tender to a new site in Oyster Bay.  Of course, you could look at the engine also, with its cab on the ground and the smokebox front off.   rev (04 Sep 2012)

The Atlantic Avenue Tunnel - this is an actual ancient tunnel under the hump on Atlantic Avenue just east of the Brooklyn waterfront, built in 1844, last used in 1859, and sealed up in 1861.  Other people's web sites about the tunnel leave out the most interesting and least-believable yarn ever.  It seems that one of the LIRR's earliest engines. ca. 1840, after the Ariel and Post Boy (possibly a high-wheeler made in England), was never striken from the detailed records, the only one whose disposition is unknown!  When Bob Diamond first resurrected the tunnel, the story was bandied about that a legend had this missing loco still buried in the tunnel!  Someone remembered playing in his basement as a little boy and climbing through a collapsed wall onto the right-of-way of the old tunnel and seeing an ancient loco with giant iron tires on rotted-out wooden wheels leaning against the wall of the tunnel; the description fits the missing engine.  Only some half or so of the tunnel has been excavated to date and the idea that the old loco is buried in there is simply fascinating (and too good to be true)!  Much more on this on my courtesy page for the Brooklyn Historic Railway Association.

Just as good is the rumor that an old engine went into a ditch along the West Hempstead branch (I think that's where; perhaps around Malverne? {wrong - see following}) and was buried on the spot; you guessed it - the story current is that it's been found!  Oh, yeah, and so have Amelia Earhart and Fred Noonan!  Still, stranger things have happened and wouldn't a positive resolution of either story be great?

note-rt  FANTASTIC NEWS! - 15 Feb 2001 - a close former co-worker, who I can trust implicitly, grew up in West Hempstead and assures me that he played on the side of the engine, which was barely above the muck, ca. 1970, and that his older cousin played on it ca. 1955 when it was still higher out of the muck.  It is in West Hempstead, directly behind the MacDonalds (where a steak house, that my Dad took us to, used to be) on the east side of Hempstead Avenue just northeast of where Nassau Boulevard splits away and south of Eagle Avenue, opposite Hall's Pond, immediately southeast of the little creek that runs south from Hall's Pond between MacDonalds and Carvel (all this is just north of Exit 17 on the Southern State Parkway).  The West Hempstead Historical Society is aware of the engine and the only reason locals have not recovered the engine is supposedly money.  Another wild one; my friend tells me that the land on either side of, and under, SSP in Hempstead Lake State Park contains dozens of old LIRR cars that were dumped there as fill and buried (he watched them do it)!

Fact is, there really is (or was, ca. 1965) an antique wooden truss-rod combine built by the LIRR at Morris Park in 1898 running (or stored, now) on the Moscow, Camden & San Augustine RR in Texas (see Page 278 in Ron Ziel's ill-numbered "Steel Rails to the Sunrise", first edition of 1965).  Oh, how I wish it could be brought to the Oyster Bay museum site!

05 Jun 2002 - Another fact was that there really were three LIRR cabin cars (cabooses, hacks, crummies, etc.) available for you to own.  It would have been hard for you to turn this offer down but you were lucky; SOMEHOW I just couldn't bring myself to take those gems for myself!  The LIRR declared surplus friction-bearing equipment including cabin cars C-60 (class N-22A) and C-63 and C-64 (class N-22B).  All three were basically complete and suitable for any use (although rather well grafittied):

Surplus Cabin Cars - Jun 2002
(Photo courtesy S. Torborg, 05 Jun 2002 - all rights reserved)

There were to be no purchasing costs, delivery costs (on LI), or storage fees, but the buyer was responsible for getting them from a local LI railhead to their final destination.  I had asked for help to save those cabeese from the torch; if they hadn't been spoken for soon, they WOULD have been scrapped!

As it turned out, the LIRR donated them to the Twin Forks Chapter of the NRHS (not to the RR Museum of LI), and Twin Forks will restore them.


Boland's Landing

Back in Jan 1998, I was asked by an LIRR employee to help identify the origin of the employee stop just west of Jamaica named "Boland's Landing"; I'd never even heard of it (or remembered if I had).  Mike Boland was a fellow Director of the Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and a major factor in LIRR modeling and I referred the questioner to Mike.  In case he didn't get ahold of Mike (and Mike says he didn't know, but will research any family connection) or he didn't find out anyway, or he didn't see it in NEWSDAY for Sunday, 19 Apr 1998, NEWSDAY:

NEWSDAY, 19 Apr 1998, Page J7, LIRR Advertising Section inside Section H, the Pioneers in Motion special history section on "Long Island: Our Story" -

"Boland's Landing, the employee stop for the Morris Park repair shop, was named for Al Boland, a road foremen who was also the LIRR's first environmentalist.  Boland was responsible for monitoring smoke coming out of steam locomotives, to make sure it would not discolor neighborhood laundry."

Guess that answers the question rather succinctly, even if the source is undated.


For steam fans and auto and history buffs, see the new 1866 Dudgeon Steam Automobile page; one is in the Smithsonian and one still exists, in running condition right here in Oyster Bay (Long Island, New York)!

I stumbled on directions for the "Route from 'Seaford' to 'Little Neck' in the New York City subway" (A NEAT TRICK!) at a subway site, The Subway Navigator.

Actually, I was hoping to find a site for the Wantagh Preservation Society, which has the old LIRR parlor car, Jamaica, a steel heavyweight, pretty well along in its restoration, sitting alongside the old Wantagh station, now relocated to the west side of Wantagh Avenue, opposite Emeric Avenue, about half way between Southern State Parkway and Sunrise Highway.  The Society now has its own official site.


Oh, give me a break!  At the Greenberg show at Stony Brook, Long Island (NY) on 15 Mar 1998, who should I find talking to the John Scala noted above and elsewhere on my site but John Scala! , Both 6' 4", not related, both named John Joseph Scala, both born the same year (only some 3 months or so apart), and both very active in railroading!  Author John is a Director of the Long Island-Sunrise Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society (linked above) and the other John Scala is a Director of the Long Island Live Steamers, also linked above.  I belong to both organizations and never realized the John Scalas were different people (I'd never noticed Steamer John's nametag before)!


LIRR modelers should look at Model Railroading on Long Island and at Mike Boland's articles in the SEMAPHORE, the monthly newsletter of the Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and consider joining the Sunrise Trail Division of the Northeastern Region of the National Model Railroad Association.


Didja know? - The Nassau County Police Department's Second Precinct Booth D at the Locust Valley station, in an old two-story frame structure for the past few years, is actually the LIRR's old Locust (interlocking) Tower; material moved - see next page.


Anent that 1989 caboose hop into Degnon yard (described on on Model RR page 2), fellow NRHS/LIST member J. J. Earl turns out to have been our conductor (on YFD201); he writes, "My crew and I had a hand in that train for many months, from gathering up the hacks, cleaning interior and exterior and by hook or crook, obtaining seat cushions for the comfort of the passengers.  (Holban yard, at that time, had many passenger cars stored awaiting disposal).  Gene {Collora} had made arrangements for our crew to go to the Storage Yard the Friday before the trip and make up the train to include the A/C passenger cars between the hacks.  When the big day arrived, SW10 #?, took our train on it's west end Odyssey.  Speed control not being needed in this territory, MP15ac were restricted from some places that we went.  If we had had that 1500, we may not have had to double out of Degnon."  {Thanks, J. J.!}


Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units

[All are now off the property; for more on them, see the ALCo Continuation Page 2, with a fully annotated roster.]
Road Nos. Qty. Model
605, 607, 609 3 FA-2
611, 613-617 6 FA-1
619 1 F-9A (c/n 18756)
620-623 4 F-7A (c/n 10349, 16651, 12626, and 12637)
3100 1 FA-2

(per LIRR section of NYCSubway site and Scala, Diesels of the Sunrise Trail.)

Bryan Turner fully documents the LIRR HEP cabs.

Two of those EMD units (F-9A #619 and F-7A #621) ended up all the way down at the Seminole Gulf Railway in Fort Myers, Florida; they were purchased by the SGLR for HEP and control cab use on their dinner/excursion trains.  #619 has been fully reconditioned and is in service as SGLR #501, as shown in this photo by Harvey Henkelman:

SGLR #501 (ex-LIRR #619)
(Photo courtesy H. Henkelman, 17 Jun 2002 - all rights reserved)

The SGLR roster lists #621 as "not fully operational at this time" (17 Jun 2002).  John Scala advises that #620 is stored unserviceable at Independence, Oregon; it had been intended to be used in dedicated unit train service on the Willamette & Pacific RR.  John writes that #613 is also in Oregon at the same roundhouse in Brooklyn Yard in Portland, as are #4449, #700, and the two ex-D&H #16 and #18 PAs retrieved from Mexico.

For an interesting detail on #622, see my EMD page.


Pennsy fans with good imaginations (or strong stomachs) gotta see my Berlinerwerke Apocrypha page!


David D. Morrison) retired in May 1999 as the Long Island Rail Road's Branch Line Manager - Port Jefferson and Montauk Branches, and remains active in the Long Island Rail Road Historical Society and the Long Island-Sunrise Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society.

He is also well-known as, firstly, the unofficial historian of the Pennsylvania Station eagles, about which he is writing a book, and, secondly, as the unofficial historian of the Grand Central Terminal eagles, about which he has already written a book (see the RAILROAD EAGLES page.

Dave Morrison is the compiler of:

"Long Island Rail Road Steam Locomotive Pictorial.
A collection of photographs compiled by David D. Morrison"
Sixty 8 x 10 black and white photographs.
Photos from the collections of:  Winn A. Boerckel, Gene Collora, F.R. Dirkes, Art Huneke, Norman Kohl,
George E. Votava, Jeffrey Winslow, Benjamin T. Young, Jr., Frank G. Zahn, and Ron Ziel
Title page drawing by John Hehman
Published in 1987, still available through:
Cannon Ball Publications, P.O.Box 405, Plainview, New York  11803
ISBN 0-945089-00-7
Price:  $9.95 plus $3.00 shipping and handling (plus taxes as applicable)


Central RR of LI

[Moved to a CRR page, et seq.]


DASHING DAN and DASHING DOTTIE

The LIRR was almost always a commuting railroad and it's symbol after the war (WWII) was a commuter dashing for the train, tie flying, with an umbrella and briefcase and the ever-present cup of coffee or newspaper or ticket in his hands!

Here he is in all his glory!  There was also, briefly, a Dashing Dottie; here she is, courtesy of Bob Anderson's LIRR History Page (and colorized by him):

Dashing Dan Dashing Dottie

Not to be outdone by Dottie, Dan transformed himself with "Native American" regalia (Plains Indian, NOT LI) to become
"The Weekend Chief":

Weekend Chief Racing Sportsmanf
(Racing Sportsman image courtesy of A. Huneke)

That Chief is actually a hand-painted replica on a refrigerator magnet, no less!  And I no sooner added it than Art Huneke came up with the image of the "Racing Sportsman"!

Well, here's the latest (Oct 2002) incarnation, on T-shirts and sweatshirts, with the LIRR name mispelled (as usual):

Oct 02 Dashing Dan

{Now, are they saying Dan was established in 1834?}

Ridiculous!  A modern Dan would be wearing a digital Rolex, not an analog watch!

John Scala advised 11 Apr 2003 that there was even a one-shot Dashing Pat for a St. Paddy's day AND a Dashing Bug of some sort, wielding a pushbroom, used on trash receptacles in Penn Station for an anti-litter campaign ca. 1965.

Here, thanks to John for digging out the card, which apparently was placed on the seats that highly auspicious day, is Pat:

Dashing Pat

[May 2003 image courtesy of J. J. Scala - all rights reserved)
(Thumbnail image; click on picture for larger image)

I blew some memory so you can see the card up close; even so, it's hard to see that Pat is bearded, smoking a clay pipe, wearing an Irish tapered topper with a shamrock in the band, and carrying a shilleleigh.

I picked up a tiny Dan pin on 19 Nov 2005, all of 7/8" in diameter:

Dashing Dan pin

[22 Nov 2005 picture by and © 2005 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

I have no clue where I found this microscopic view of Dan in a képi - the Legionnaire's cap - with a neck drape - but I'll risk someone's displeasure by posting it:   new (04 Sep 2012)

Dashing Dan in Kepi

(unprovenanced picture)

Now, does anyone have an image of the Dashing Bug, please?


LIRR Helper Section!

Moved 22 Jan 00 to Continuation Page 4.

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]



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