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Long Island Rail Road Page 5


LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD

continued

(and related Long Island railroad information)

LIRR Keystone

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


NOTE:  Page size is limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I've been forced to add this continuation page to fit the LIRR and related information, as well as several other continuation pages.
You may wish to visit my RR page, as well.

Also, LILS - the Long Island Live Steamers courtesy page had to be moved to a separate page.


There are two related topics here on these pages:
(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroad information.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there remain some offical documents with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately, "Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered on the LI Railroads page.


INDEX:

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

NOTE:  To conserve space, I have severely truncated the index on this page; see the LIRR index page.

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, etc.

MODEL RAILROADING

On the (first) LIRR page:
    Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter (National Railway Historical Society)
    Sunrise Trail Division (Northeastern Region, National Model Railroad Association)
    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee
    (Friends of Locomotive #35 Incorporated)
    Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35
    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration
    (Railroad Museum of Long island)
    Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LIRR Continuation Page 1a:
    LIRR FIRSTS
    LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY

On the LIRR Continuation Page 2:

    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany
    Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
    Central RR of LI - moved to this page 5 on 17 Dec 00
    and now to a separate CRRof LI page on 17 Feb 2002.
    Dashing Dan and Dottie.

On the LIRR Continuation Page 3:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower
    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

On the LIRR Continuation Page 4:
    Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings, Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard
    and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
    LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
    LIRR HELP

On this LIRR Continuation Page 5:
    Central RR of LI - moved to separate CRR page on 17 Feb 02.
    LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)
    Locust Valley Station
    Glen Street Station (update)
    Oyster Bay Station

On the LIRR Continuation Page 6:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower (cont'd)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 7:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)
    Oyster Bay Station (with photos and dimensions)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 8:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (Oyster Bay Station - cont'd.)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 9:
    LIRR VW Railbus(es?)

On the Central RR of LI Page:
    Central RR of LI - moved 17 Dec 00,
    and again on 17 Feb 02 to a separate CRRof LI page.

Salisbury Plains Station ca. 1974
(Salisbury Plains Station on the LIRR Central Branch ca. 1974.)
[Photograph courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved.]

    Bethpage Branch.

On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:
    Long Island Railroads [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)]

On separate pages:

Long Island Live Steamers

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.

Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.


Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)

A great group of miniature live steam (and diesel and electric) operators running at mostly 1½" scale (also some 1" and rare 3/4") in Southhaven Park at the intersection of William Floyd Parkway (Suffolk County Route 46) and Sunrise Highway (U.S. Route 27); their site with their PUBLIC RUNNING SCHEDULE and some other live steam links, has been moved to a separate page.


Central RR of LI
    Central RR of LI - moved 17 Dec 00,
    and again on 17 Feb 02 to a separate CRRof LI page, q.v.


LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC
Diesel-Electric and Dual-Power
Locomotives

FYI (I should not have assumed you knew), the 400-series are DE30AC (Diesel-Electric) while the 500-series are DM30AC (Dual-Mode diesel/third-rail-electric).  Just like the B-A1A EMD FL-9, both are capable of independent operation as straight diesel electrics but the latter can also operate in third-rail territory (notably through the Steinway and 63rd Street tunnels and under Manhattan in to Penn Station, Grand Central, and, maybe, someday, the Financial District) by dropping their pickup shoes and killing their engines.

Brand-new LIRR DM30AC's #515 and 517 were in New York & Atlantic's Fresh Pond, Queens, yard on 20 Jul 99, awaiting pickup by the LIRR.  Their builder's plates were stamped "7/99" {from Bernie Ente}.

Those engines are now (05 Aug 1999) on the road.  WOW, those are LOOOOONG engines!  Here are some pictures of #517:

LIRR #517 DM30AC front

LIRR #517 DM30AC truck     LIRR #517 DM30AC brake

"This is brand new LIRR 'Dual Mode' DM30AC at Fresh Pond Yard.  Look at the details on those trucks, and the third-rail pickup shoes haven't even been installed yet!  Disk brakes must be a little harder to change than brake shoes."
    (Text and photos from B. Ente, 05 Aug 99)

Here's the new #401:

LIRR #401 DE30AC
Image by Jack Bleiberg (renumbered by SB,III - 28 Dec 1999)]


There's a type of rail turntable you won't normally see (not that most people "normally" see any turntables - we are triply blessèd here on Long Island), it's a QUARTER-TURN marine turntable.  I'm wasn't sure if it belonged here or on my Railroad Continuation pages or where; I finally opted for Model RR page 7, q.v., with a link back on my Naval and Maritime page and here.

It's at the old Jakobsen Shipyard (Jake's) in Oyster Bay (near the new RR Museum site); Jake's is where so very many tugboats originated, those with the rakishly canted foredeck and level wheelhouse with matching roof.

One of the pictures there (and immediately below) shows a W/B new LIRR control cab bi-level going hard by immediately to the south.

Jake's ¼-turn TT (5 of 5)>
[Thumbnail image; full picture missing.]
(Photo by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III)

The LIRR announced (11 Nov 1999 DAILY NEWS, 12 Nov 1999 NEWSDAY) that they were replacing the horns on the DE30ACs and control cabs with more muted, mellower horns aimed down toward the track (Nathan AirChime model K5LL).  That's good news for those who felt the old horns were too loud (not I!) but there is an even better result!  The new horns are NOT preset; the engineer will have his/her creativity restored and we can enjoy whistle artistry once more!

For more about the Nathan horns, see Chris Moyer's K horn page.

After marching for loco #35 in the 2000 Oyster Bay parade on the Fourth of July, I stopped by the new OB yard and caught DM30AC #502 at the WEST end of a train {???}:

LIRR #520 DM30AC OB 04Jul00

#520 front truck OB 04Jul00 #520 rear truck OB 04Jul00
Photos 04 Jul 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III

Note the third-rail shoes and ancillary equipment.

By way of contrast, here's the LIRR's first locomotive, Matthias W. Baldwin's ARIEL (noted on LIRR Page 3), delivered in November, 1835 (Baldwin only built his first steam engine sometime before 1830, his first loco (a miniature) in 1831, and his first production loco in 1832 - per Westing - and the LIRR's second loco, the Post Boy, in 1836 - per Ziel ):

Ariel Hcksvl Banner

This image was extracted from a celebratory banner displayed on light standards in Hicksville to commemorate its RR heritage.  Steam reached there on 01 Mar 1837 (D. Morrison) and ended officially for the LIRR there on 08 Oct 1955.  Even more significant to my mind is that the third LIRR loco, built a year later by the Locks & Canals Co., was named the Hicksville and bore the distinction of being the first locomotive to carry a steam whistle (Ziel)!

While over at nearby Locust Valley, documenting Locust Tower (on 09 Sep 2001, q.v.), what should come in but DM30AC #512 on the point of a W/B run; here she is at 17:23 (looking ENE), plus views of the front truck (L) and the rear truck (R):

DM30AC 512 LV (09 Sep 01 photos by and ©: 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

It's embarassing, but I was so involved in what I was doing that I'd turned the camera off just as I saw that #522 was pushing!  Oh, well - - - .


Victorian LIRR Stations
   
(continued from LIRR Continuation Page 3)

While not a station, Locust Tower is certainly a Victorian relic, so it was both geographically contiguous and historically continuous to add shots of the Locust Valley station and an update on the now fully refurbished Glen Street station.

Locust Valley Station

Here are two views of the stucco Locust Valley station, looking WSW and ESE; Locust Tower shows coincidentally in both - in my outside rear-view mirror and beyond the station:

Locust  Valley Station A WSW / B ESE (09 Sep 2001 photos by and ©: 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

Per Vince Seyfried (Vol. VI), East Williston Station was built around 1880 and Sea Cliff (Avenue) opened in May 1888, and Glen Street existed by 1898.  Strictly speaking, Locust Valley and some of the others are not really Victorian; Locust Valley was built in 1905 (opened in 1906) and Nassau (Glen Cove) in 1911, and (per Vince, Vol. VII), making them Edwardian in style (Edward VII died in 1910, you sticklers!).  Oyster Bay was built in June-July 1902 and Mill Neck (Bayville prior to Nov 1892) was also built in 1911.


Glen Street Station (update)

On my way home from Locust Valley, I stopped off to take these shots of the now-fully-refurbished Glen Street station, looking SE (above) and SSW (L) and S (R), below:

Glen St 1 SE / Glen St 3 S
(09 Sep 2001 photos by and ©: 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)


Oyster Bay Station

    {The Oyster Bay station is actually "Edwardian"!}

Since Friends of Locomotive #35 which will set up and staff the rairoad museum planned for the old Oyster Bay train station, has no plans (drawings, that is, not ideas) for the 1902 structure, I think I'll document it* the way I did Sea Cliff and East Williston.  Until I do, suffice it that the building is 100 years old, it was Teddy Roosevelt's home station, and we (#35 and the Oyster Bay Historical Society had a grand celebration on Saturday, 07 Sep 2002, replete with the "Colonel", himself!

TR liked to ride trains (not that he had much choice) and would talk with the crew and give them silver dolllars:

TR ATSF 1 TR ATSF 2
(photos courtesy OBHS via D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

This is the original 1889 frame station at Oyster Bay (I wasn't convinced but Dave Morrison says it is):   rev (07 Sep 2012)

orig{?} 1889 OB Station
(photo courtesy OBHS via D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

There's a great shot of TR, as V.P. in 1901, sitting on a bench at the southwest corner of that building, waiting for a train, on page 245 of NEWSDAY's "LONG ISLAND - OUR STORY" (1998).

Here's how the Colonel arrived, and was picked up, at the station in Oyster Bay; driven in great style and with great dignity by Joe Washington, his driver (shown):

TR's Driver at OB Station 1 TR's Driver at OB Station 2
(photo courtesy OBHS via D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

Now, we see el Presidente about to leave the station and on his way:

TR at OB Station TR leaving OB Station
(photos courtesy OBHS via D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

Here are a bunch of photos by Dave Morrison (who was the Oyster Bay Branch Manager until his recent retirement) of the 100th Anniversary celebration.  We start with Teddy (portrayed by Jim Foote of neighboring Sea Cliff) timing the almost-punctual arrival of the early afternoon train, greeting the crew (no silver dollars, but he DID give out seegars), and hamming it up in the cab:

TR/JF timing TR/JF greeting

TR/JF trainmen TR/JF cab
[Thumbnail images - click on the pictures for larger images.]

The train is No. 6506, the 12:14 pm from Penn Station scheduled in to Oyster Bay at 1:36 pm (it ALMOST made it!) with DE30AC #420 on the point; Teddy/Jim is shaking hands with Engineer Richard J. Bianchi while Conductor Steven S. Stochla (left, red buckle) and Assistant Conductor (a.k.a. Brakie) Donald G. Maltby (center, gold buckle) look on.

Next, we have the celebration itself, inside the waiting room (looking at the west wall), with TR declaiming, with TR introducing Oyster Bay Town Supervisor John Venditto (who spoke very nicely, indeed), and with Vince Seyfried, noted LIRR historian, telling the story of the Branch and the station (clutching an excellent reference work - his compendious History of the LIRR, Part Six, with his finger in Chapter VI, "The Oyster Bay Extension"!
    (Wonder how he found out about that invaluable book?)

TR/JF at OB 07Sep02 TR/JF intros J Venditto OB 07Sep02 V Seyfried OB 07Sep02
(cropped from 07 Sep 02 photos by D. Morrison - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images - click on the pictures for larger images.]

{that's I in the red #35 tee-shirt on the left, #35's founder Steve Torborg in one on the right,
with Cathy (Mrs.) Torborg facing at left}

That hideous green tile will come down, as will the drop ceiling; the original soaring arches are still there above that and the original woodwork under the falsework.  Dave dug through the east wall and found the original fireplace (no mantel, though - but it will be recreated).

Dave sent around this image of the fireplace from an old postcard (plus a closeup he sent with it):

D&H Cooperstown Station Waiting Room

D&H Cooperstown Station Fireplace (postcard courtesy of D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

Sucker trick!  It's from the D&H station in Cooperstown, New York, NOT Oyster Bay; I got so excited I posted it before I finished reading Dave's message!

Now, we still have to square away the discrepancies about whether or not that old structure is really the 1889 structure, renovated in 1902, and the two chimneys on the earlier building with the porte cochère!  The track layout had to have changed to accomodate the different shed arrangements, also.

* - I measured and photographed the station on 21 Sep 02 and put the dimensions and photos up on LIRR page 7 and page 8.

While we're on the Oyster Bay Branch, the old Roslyn Station, which was picked up bodily and moved a hundred yards or so south, now has a new old stove; the Roslyn Historical Society and various railfans, including Dave Morrison, former manager of the Branch, found, restored, and emplaced a cast iron pot-bellied stove virtually identical to the one that originally graced (and heated) the Roslyn station.  Here it is as found, as restored, and as emplaced:

Roslyn Stove as found Roslyn Stove restored Roslyn Stove emplaced
(Photos courtesy of and ©: D. Morrison - all rights reserved)
{Third photo corrupted; to be replaced}

Dave and Gary Farkash of Loco #35 found this 1892 photo of the old Oyster Bay Station before it's 1902 renovation@ at the Queensboro Public Library on 17 Nov 2003; Dave made the image his 2003 Christmas card:

Oyster Bay Sta 1892
[Thumbnail image; for full picture, click on image.]
(Image courtesy of D. Morrison - all rights reserved;
greetings removed by SB,III)

In those days, one could actually see the Bay from the station; this view is looking toward the west.  Something's wrong here; where are the sheds?

@ - "Renovation"?  I thought it was completely rebuilt from the ground up!


The ca.-1870 Bushwick Freight Terminal came down on or about 01 May 03, with a whimper or a roar or both; some of the debris spilled into the street and was barricaded.  John McCluskey sent this "grab shot" he took on 06 May 2003 (cropped top and bottom, only):

Bushwick Frt Hs collapse
(Cropped from 06 May 2003 photo by and courtesy of and ©: J. McCluskey - all rights reserved)

For a "before" picture, see Charles Woolever's Existing RR Stations in New York State site.


Wantagh Station

Running down to Massapequa on 11 May 02 to check (unsuccessfully) for remnants at the site of the Frank Buck Zoo, I drove down Wantagh Avenue and took these shots of the relocated and restored old Wantagh Station and its accompanying 1912 LIRR parlor/solarium/business/observation car, the Jamaica:

Jamaica

Wantagh Station
(11 May 2002 photos by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

These are lovingly cared for by the Wantagh Museum and the Wantagh Preservation Society (new URL 06 Feb 2005).


Now, here is a picture cropped slightly from a mildewed old, contemporary photo I'd forgotten I had of LIRR #1040, the VW Rail Bus inspection car, which had a tiny turntable bolted underneath on a hydraulic jack; one drove up to a crossing, jacked the bus up, spun it 90° by hand, dropped it onto the rails on its teeny Hi-Rails, and awaaaaay we went (it actually survives - in private hands)!

LIRR #1040 VW Rail Bus
(Photo from collection of S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

More on this and possibly others on LIRR page 9.


[This page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.

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