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Long Island Rail Road Page 8

RAILROADING



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LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD

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(and related Long Island railroad information)

LIRR Keystone

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this continuation page to fit the LIRR and related information, as well as several other continuation pages.
You may wish to visit my RR page, as well.

Also, LILS - the Long Island Live Steamers courtesy page had to be moved to a separate page.


There are two related topics here on these pages:
(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroad information.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there remain some offical documents with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately:
"Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered on the LI Railroads page.


INDEX:

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

NOTE:  To conserve space, I have severely truncated the index on this page; see the LIRR index page.

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, etc.

MODEL RAILROADING

On the (first) LIRR page:
    Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter (National Railway Historical Society)
    Sunrise Trail Division (Northeastern Region, National Model Railroad Association)
    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee

(Friends of Locomotive #35 Incorporated)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35
    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration
(Railroad Museum of Long island)
Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LIRR Continuation Page 1a:
    LIRR FIRSTS
    LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY

On the LIRR Continuation Page 2:

    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany
    Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
    Central RR of LI - moved to this page 5 on 17 Dec 00

and now to a separate CRR of LI page on 17 Feb 2002.
    Dashing Dan and Dottie.

On the LIRR Continuation Page 3:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower
    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

On the LIRR Continuation Page 4:
    Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings, Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard

and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
    LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
    LIRR HELP

On the LIRR Continuation Page 5:
    Central RR of LI - moved to separate CRR page on 17 Feb 2002.
    LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)

Locust Valley Station
Glen Street Station (update)
Oyster Bay Station (moved to LIRR page 7 on 23 Sep 2002)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 6:
    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower (cont'd)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 7:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2 and 5)

Oyster Bay Station (moved from LIRR page 5 on 23 Sep 2002)
Oyster Bay Station Photos
Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On this LIRR Continuation Page 8:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2, 5, and 7)

More on Oyster Bay Station (moved from LIRR page 5 on 23 Sep 2002)
More Oyster Bay Station Photos
More Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On the LIRR Continuation Page 9:

LIRR VW Railbus(es?)

On the Central RR of LI Page:
    Central RR of LI - moved 17 Dec 2000,

and again on 17 Feb 02 to a separate CRR of LI page.

Salisbury Plains Station ca. 1974
(Salisbury Plains Station on the LIRR Central Branch ca. 1974.)
[Photograph courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved.]

    Bethpage Branch.

On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:
    Long Island Railroads [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)]

On separate pages:

Long Island Live Steamers

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.

Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.


Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)

A great group of miniature live steam (and diesel and electric) operators running at mostly 1½" scale (also some 1" and rare 3/4") in Southaven Park at the intersection of William Floyd Parkway (Suffolk County Route 46) and Sunrise Highway (U.S. Route 27); their site with their PUBLIC RUNNING SCHEDULE and some other live steam links, has been moved to a separate page.


Victorian LIRR Stations
(continued from
LIRR Continuation Page 3 and LIRR Continuation Page 5)

[Any reference to "Friends of Locomotive #35, Inc." is NOT an official statement by that group.]


More on Oyster Bay Station

    (continued from LIRR page 7 on 23 Sep 2002)

{The Oyster Bay station is actually "Edwardian"!}

I want HAZARDOUS DUTY PAY for this "assignment"; I risked psitacosis, lung disease, and who-knows-what-else from all the pigeons roosting on the eave brackets and their poop all over the place!

I photographed and measured the station on 21 Sep 02 and had to put that coverage up on a new LIRR page 7 to accomodate the photos, dimensions, and other new information.  Having done so, I found I needed even more detail and so went back on 23 Sep 2002 and took far too many more detailed photos to fit on that page; thus, this additional LIRR page (8) with more than you ever wanted to know about the LIRR's Oyster Bay Station!

Detailed photos more or less at random:

N = North, S = South, E = East, and W = West.

N side gable detailing {Image 17}:

OB Station 17
[23 Sep 02 photos (except as noted) by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved]

Ohmygosh!  It sure looks like the ticket window and the gable are NOT aligned and windows "P" and "Q" are quite far apart; back to the station!

That bothered me enough that, when I went back on 27 Sep 2002 to photograph the deterioration noted below, I also took another shot of the ticket and gable area to show that, in fact, the windows ARE aligned; the air conditioner and the security grille give an impression otherwise.  However, both photos also show deterioration of the belt mo(u)lding {Image 38}:

OB Station 38
(This one photo out of chronological sequence - 27 Sep 02 photo by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

N side gable peak detailing (there's that fool bracket again!) {Image 18}:

OB Station 18

N side gable detailing (W end) {Image 19}:

OB Station 19

W end N eave bracket detail {Image 20}:

OB Station 20

Because of all the thick coats of white paint over them, you can barely make out the oyster shells embedded in the stucco (but see Image 41, below).

NW corner eave bracket detail - notice the 3½" scroll, the bottom of which is 75½" above the platform {Image 21}:

OB Station 21

"A" (SW) window detail - the "regular" window transom; 8 panes wide by 3 panes high {Image 22}:

OB Station 22

S side eaves bracket details (above "B" window and "C" door {Image 23}:

OB Station 23

Eave bracket details flanking S bay (E window) {Image 24}:

OB Station 24

Interlocking brick and window sill details - SW corner of bay (D-E) {Image 25}:

OB Station 25

Historical plaque on S wall to left (W) of "H" door (I want to see U.S. and N.Y. State recognition!) {Image 26}:

OB Station 26

This plaque measures 7½"" high by 11" wide on the rectangle with the partial disk protruding 1½" up and being 4¾" wide, centered.  It is 10" in (W) from the door opening and the bottom is 75" from the platform.

Eave bracket detail above W window ("D") on S bay - note 4½ by 3 diamond panes {Image 27}:

Also note the interlocking brickwork in the inner corner.

OB Station 27

Head-on (N) view of eave brackets flanking S bay main ("E") window transom (10 panes wide by 3 high) - note also the 4½" scrolls {Image 28}:

OB Station 28

W window in dormer over S bay (4 diamond panes square - and we have a little visitor) {Image 29}:

OB Station 29

4x3 pane central window in dormer over S bay {Image 30}:

OB Station 30

NE view of chimney {Image 31}:

OB Station 31

NE view of chimney {Image 32}:

OB Station 32

WNW view of chimney, showing that I was wrong about it matching above and below the roof {Image 33}:

OB Station 33

And, finally, NE view of dormer on S roof face, with local residents {Image 34}:

OB Station 34
[23 Sep 2002 photos (except as noted) by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved]

It occurred to me while I was taking the NE view {Image 40 on the previous page} that I had not taken a close view of the stub where the NE shed was attached, so here it is {Image 39}:   new (28 Sep 02)

OB Station 39

Also, as I walked back around, the setting sun highlit (highlighted?) the oyster shells embedded in the stucco on the W wall, in spite of the thick white paint overlying them, so here they are, in the bottom of the lower center panel {Image 41}:

OB Station 41
[28 Sep 02 photos (preceding two, only) by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved]

That should just about do it!


More OYSTER BAY STATION DIMENSIONS

note-rt - All dimensions are from sharp brick edge to sharp brick edge (unless otherwise noted).

The platform is not dead flat and the reference dimensions should probably be taken down from the major eave-level molding (with a ladder, but that puts one's head up amongst the pigeons and their poop!); a good, hard reference is that the distance from the underside of that molding to the top of the door B opening is 32".  A good means of aligning things is the brickwork; they laid them true in those days!

LATTICE WINDOWS (moved from LIRR page 7 on 23 Sep 02):

Regular 19"x36" Windows (A,B,G,I and L,N) - 8 panes wide x 3 panes high:
______________ |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|
North Bay (Ticket Window) 2x19"x36" Windows (P,Q) - as above (each) North Bay (Ticket Window) 19"x32" Side Windows (O,R) - 6 panes wide x 3 panes high:
____________ |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/|
{This needs to be checked!} South Bay 19"x42" Window (E) - 10* panes wide x 3 panes high: * - (shy ~1/8 pane each side)
____________________ |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/|
South Bay 19"x26" Side Windows (D,F) - 4½ panes wide x 3 panes high:
__________ |/\/\/\/\/| |\/\/\/\/\| |/\/\/\/\/| |\/\/\/\/\| |/\/\/\/\/| |\/\/\/\/\|
South Dormer Flanking Windows (2) - 4 panes wide x 4 panes high (half-pane off laterally):
________ |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\|
East Second Floor Windows (2) - 6 panes wide x 4 panes high {}:
___________ |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/\/\/|
West Second Floor Windows (3) - 4 panes wide x 3 panes high:
________ |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/| |/\/\/\/\| |\/\/\/\/|
The major brackets under the north and south eaves are 6" wide and are on vertical plates 7½" wide, with a 4½" high scroll at the bottom (except on the end ones, which are only 3½" high - go figure).  The main brackets spring 75½" off the platform, 4½" above the scroll.

Here are even more dimensional details which I realized I had missed.  It is not my intention to document the station for historical record; only for modeling and general reference.

Among these are sill heights and more door heights.  All window sills are 5" high and heights are measured from the platform to the underside of the sill.

South wall - the sills under the regular 36" windows (A, B, G, and I) are all 40" wide.  The sill under window A is 39½" high, E is 38", G and I are 37¼"and L is 36¾".   The sill under modern steel door C is 44½" wide and 9" high (sill heights vary with subsidence and variances in platform height, not cutting errors).  The door opening is 81" high from the sill to the brick above.  Door H is 113" from the brick underside to the sill, which is 8" high and 45½" wide; the top panel is 29" high and the door itself is 84" high, but both the panel and the door are modern aluminum replacements.  Window J's sill is 5" high by 60¼" wide.

East wall - featureless; no changes.

North wall - The sills under the regular 36" windows (L and N) are all 40" wide.  The sill under window K is 61" wide and 71"above the platform.  Window L and N sills are both 37¾" high.  Modern aluminum door M is in an opening 1frac12;" high above a 44½" by (only) 3½" sill and has a 27½" high panel above a 3" high upper door stop.  Window P-Q sill is 82" wide and 36" high, while window S and T sills are each 36" wide and 70" up.

West wall - The modern steel door is in an opening 81" high above a 7½" sill that is 1" above the platform and 45" wide.

DETERIORATION OF THE STRUCTURE - That hole in the roof at the lower E edge of the S dormer is monstrous; viewed from underneath in favorable light, it measures some 14" front-to-back and 18" side-to-side.  While, happily, it is outside the walls, it is allowing the elegant carpentry trim at eave level to deteriorate.  Far, far worse, is a leak at the opposte (W) end of the base of the dormer which is allowing rain water to seep into the eave-level trim and has rotted it away in the inner corner of the bay.  Further, I know that there are several leaks in the station roof that drip INSIDE the building and will cause major damage if not corrected soon.  Also, in the steady rain of 26 Sep 2002, it became quickly evident that the SW downspout leads into a plugged drain pipe because water pooled at the upper edge of the socket and began running down the pipe and the wall behind it.  Further, a truck seems to have hit the gutter at the SE end; rainwater pours onto the platform there and splashes back against the wall.

That damage so distressed me that I took the digital back on 27 Sep 2002 to record it for all to see (I have thumbnailed these images so you can enlarge them to see just how bad things are) {Images 35, 36, and 37, l-to-r}:

OB Station 35 OB Station 36 OB Station 37
(27 Sep 02 photos by and ©: 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images - click on the pictures for larger images]

The left photo is looking up and NNW through the hole at the east side of the bay, the center one is looking up and NNE at the leak up under the eaves on the we(s)t side of the bay, and the right one looking up and NE at the damage to the belt mo(u)lding.  [See also the damage to the north gable trim (picture 38, inserted between pictures 17 and 18, above)].

The whole situation of the station is so appalling that articles about the situation are appearing in the papers; Dave Morrison went over on 18 Nov 02, after a Nor'easter, and took these appalling pictures of water on, and under, the seats in the waiting room and more views of the deteriorating front:

[I didn't notice; the outside views are comparison shots from Mar 2002 (left) to Nov 2002 (right) and have been so noted.]

OB Station Water on Seats

OB Station Water under Seats

OB Station South Left Mar 02 OB Station South Left Nov 02

OB Station South Center Mar 02 OB Station South Center Nov 02

OB Station South Right Mar 02 OB Station South Right Nov 02
(18 Nov 02 photos by D. Morrison - all rights reserved)


Dave Morrison wrote an article on the station which appeared in the Summer 2002 issue of THE FREEHOLDER, "The History Magazine of the Town of Oyster Bay" (pp. 3-5, 16-18), published by the Oyster Bay Historical Society.  Coincidentally, Walter Karppi has an article in that issue ("Forgotten Ferryboats"), as do I, and all three of us are active with Loco #35 and the museum!


Oh, WOW!  We knew we had a treat in store for us when we spotted the original arched beams through holes in the drop ceiling.  But I, at least, had no idea quite what a magnificent sight awaited!  Here, thanks to Dave Morrison, are shots taken from just above the drop ceiling; the first one is truly awesome - a cathedral ceiling, indeed!

OB Truss 1

OB Truss 2

OB Truss 3
(02 Oct 02 photos by and courtesy of D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

The first is taken looking WNW, the second (cropped) appears to be looking NNE, and the last is looking SE (as I recall) at the top of the hot-water heater and the waste vent line and water damage.  Looks like we have some blanked-off windows in the W wall to restore.


On 18 Feb 2005, Jim Dermody, president of the LIRR, presented a ceremonial key to the Oyster Bay RR Station, parking plaza, and turntable to John Venditto, Supervisor of the Town of Oyster Bay, thus marking the completion of a phase of the restoration of the station to become the hub of the Oyster Bay RR Museum.  The station was now resplendent (externally) in it's new roof and original bare brick and dark green wood color against white (before and after photos):

OB Sta. before OB Sta. after
(photos courtesy Loco #35 Restoration Committee - all rights reserved)

The interior was stripped but one could see it's old grandeur and Dave Morrison set up a "bully" display of photos and memorabilia for the guests to view.

Teddy Roosevelt was there, as well (in the person of Jim Foote), as were many notables from the County, Town, and local groups.  There was also a nice article on page A12 of the next day's NEWSDAY, with a color photograph of John Vendito, Jim Dermody, and Dave Morrison, in which they "discuss plans to renovate the landmark station"!  Real progress (sure beats East Williston all hollow)!



[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD, LI Rail Road, and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


You may wish to visit the Railroad Continuation Page, et seq.

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