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LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD
HISTORICAL SOCIETY
Home Page

This site has now been visited times since the counter was installed.

LIRR Keystone

NOTES:

1.  The Long Island Rail Road Historical Society is a group of LIRR employees and retirees
interested in the history of the railroad.

2.  You may wish to visit the Webmaster's RR and LIRR pages* (et seq.), as well.


There are two related topics here and on the Webmaster's pages:

(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroads.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there was (and still is, on occasion) rolling stock and some official documents with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately:
"Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered here and on the Webmaster's Long Island Railroads page.



NOTICE!

Due to other commitments, the members of the LIRRHS
are unable to provide an active program at this time.
For the moment, no meetings or activities can be scheduled.
Check this page periodically for any
changes in this situation.



note-rt  Re ex-railroad personnel records - neither the LIRR nor any other local railroad (to your Webmaster's knowledge) maintains any old ex-railroad personnel records in it's archives (nor do the LIRRHS or your Webmaster - so please don't ask).  Those records are most likely lost.  Click HERE to go to the Webmasters RR page for hopefully-useful recommendations.



LIRR Ping Pong car baggage racks were available - click here.


BIG NEWS! - Dave Keller and Steve Lynch have produced a SECOND book of Dave's LIRR photos, many never before seen by the public, entitled:

IMAGES
of RAIL
REVISITING THE
LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD

1925 - 1975

published by Arcadia Publishing at $22.50.

The well-received first volume is:

THE LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD
1925 - 1975

published by Arcadia Publishing at $19.95.



INDEX:

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

On this page:

RR Personnel Records.

Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.

Books on the Long Island Rail Road.

End-of-Steam Ceremony, Hicksville, 08 Oct 1955.

(Moved to LIRR Historical Society Continuation Page 1 on 19 M   rev.gif (19 May 03)

LIRR Helper Section.

On the Webmaster's Pages:

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS, now on a separate page,
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, plus

Murrer's Sidings
Kearney Sidings
    as well as Blissville/Laurel Hill (and Maspeth and Fresh Pond).

The New York Connecting Railroad (the old New Haven line across the Hellgate Bridge
    and down through Fresh Pond to Bay Ridge) will not be covered on this site; a new book about
    the NYCRR is coming out, sponsored by the LI Sunrise-Trail Chapter, NRHS (see below).
    However, see my Z-Scale Articles page for a detailed writeup on the Hellgate in Z (1:220).

MODEL RAILROADING

Webmaster's LIRR pages (selected links - heavily truncated - see the full LIRR Index): rev.gif (14 May 03)

On the (first) LIRR page:

    Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter

(National Railway Historical Society)

    Sunrise Trail Division

(Northeastern Region)
(National Model Railroad Association)

    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee

(Friends OF LOCOMOTIVE #35 INCORPORATED)
      Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35

    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration

(Railroad Museum of Long island)
      Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LIRR Continuation Page 1a:

LIRR FIRSTS
LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY

On the LIRR Continuation Page 2:

    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)

    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany

On the LIRR Continuation Page 3:

    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

etc. On the LI Railroads Continuation Page:

    Long Island Railroads
        [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)]

Railroads on Long Island - Flying and Fallen Flags
(not including subways/elevateds) - First to Last (partial listing)

etc. - see the full LIRR Index

On separate pages:

Long Island Live Steamers

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

Railroad Eagles - Penn Station, Grand Central Terminal, etc.


Bill Russell has a RR site about NY metropolitan area railroading and rail-marine operations (car floats, ferries, pocket terminals, BEDT, NYCH, LIRR and PRR, tugs) etc.  Take a look starting with his Penny Bridge page.

One of his newsthreads was about the West Side Freight Line (the elevated trackage rotting away in southwestern Manhattan); it reminded the Webmaster of a rather bizarre feature of LI railroading (another item, about the WSFL, is on the Webmaster's RR page):

Across Manhattan and the east River, in the old Degnon yard, there is a line into the back of one of the IDNY buildings (the Webmaster forgets which, but thinks it may have been American Chicle) in which there is (probably dismantled, although certainly no longer usable) a freight car elevator that took cars up to the floors on where their cargo was needed or v.v.  Scoff if you will but Vince Seyfried confimed just such on 02 Aug 2002.

NOTE:  There is now The New York Connecting Railroad Society, an all-volunteer organization started in 1993 and recently incorporated to preserve the history of the joint venture between the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New Haven (NYCRR and the Hell Gate Bridge); they publish a newsletter, "The Connecting".

See also HOW TO BOOT A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE or
    How to hostle without really tiring (firing up a cold oil burner - 1:1 scale, that is).


The Long Island Rail Road Historical Society is an internal LIRR employees and retirees group which can be reached by snail-mail at "Oyster Bay Train Station, Oyster Bay, New York  11771" (where they have an exhibit in the waiting room).  They can be reached through David D. Morrison.  Dave is also the author of a book of LIRR steam locomotive photos (see the LIRR Bibliography - with a special offer for readers of the Webmaster's RR pages) or below.  The Society was founded in 1987 to help celebrate the 100th anniversary of the opening of present bi-level Jamaica Station.


The Long Island Rail Road is an agency of New York State's Metropolitan Transportation Authority.  It was chartered on 24 April 1834 to run from the Long Island City ferries across from Manhattan to Orient Point, some 120 miles east on the North Fork of Long island where it would connect by ferry with the Old Colony Railroad at Stonington, Connecticut, and so on to Boston.

This was a great idea until the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad bridged all the rivers and bays and inlets along the Connecticut coast ca. 1850 and provided direct rail service from New York City to Beantown.  The LIRR, having ignored all the towns along the Island and having been built on the most barren (and inexpensive) land on the Island now had no "raison d'Ítre" and had to scurry to build or buy branches to the population centers on Long Island.  The LIRR finally connected directly with Manhattan on the completion in September 1910 of the East River ("Steinway") tunnels and Pennsylvania Station.  Eventually, it fell into the hands of the Pennsylvania Railroad (1928-1949), before becoming part of the MTA in 1965.


Dave Morrison retired in May 1999 as the Long Island Rail Road's Branch Line Manager for the Port Jefferson, Oyster Bay, and Patchogue-to-Montauk Branches and is also active in the Long Island-Sunrise Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society.

He is also well-known as, firstly, unofficial historian of the Pennsylvania Station eagles, about which he is writing a book, and as, secondly, the unofficial historian of the Grand Central Terminal eagles, about which he has already written a book (see the RAILROAD EAGLES page.

Dave is the compiler of:  "Long Island Rail Road Steam Locomotive Pictorial.

A collection of photographs compiled by David D. Morrison"
Sixty 8 x 10 black and white photographs.
Photos from the collections of:  Winn A. Boerckel, Gene Collora, F.R. Dirkes, Art Huneke,
Norman Kohl, George E. Votava, Jeffrey Winslow, Benjamin T. Young, Jr., Frank G. Zahn, and Ron Ziel
Title page drawing by John Hehman
Published in 1987, still available through:
Cannon Ball Publications, P.O.Box 405, Plainview, New York  11803
ISBN 0-945089-00-7
Price:  $9.95 plus $3.00 shipping and handling (plus taxes as applicable)


LIRR modelers should look at Model Railroading on Long Island and at Mike Boland's articles in the SEMAPHORE, the monthly newsletter of the Long Island-Sunrise Trail Chapter of the National Railway Historical Society and consider joining the Sunrise Trail Division of the Northeastern Region of the National Model Railroad Association.

Didja know? - The Nassau County Police Department's Second Precinct Booth D at the Locust Valley station, in an old two-story frame structure for the past few years, is actually the LIRR's old Locust (interlocking) Tower; it's pictured on the Webmaster's LIRR Continuation Page.

See Long Island Railroads [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)] - Railroads on Long Island - Flying and Fallen Flags (not including subways/elevateds) - First to Last (partial listing) for those old and forgotten (or all-but-forgotten) predecessors of today's LIRR.

See LIRR FIRSTS for the LIRR's greatest historical and technical achievements (other than just hauling millions of commuters - more than any other single such line).


LIRR Books

The Webmaster's LIRR Bibliography is a good source of reference material on the Long Island Rail Road; however, the list is also appended (in part) here:

The definitive LIRR books are those in a 7-volume series, THE LONG ISAND RAIL ROAD  A COMPREHENSIVE HISTORY, LoC #61-17477, by member Vincent F. Seyfried.  All but Part 7 are out-of-print (as of 13 Oct 00) and very few libraries have them any more (they seem to vanish quickly):

[See Page 1a for an updated listing with full Tables of Contents added 17 Sep 2001
    for the earlier volumes and in maximum conformance with
    Mr.Seyfried's Tables of Contents for each voume.]

Part One: The South Side Railroad.

Part Two: The Flushing, North Shore & Central Railroad.

Part Three: The Age of Expansion: 1863-1880.

Part Four: The Bay Ridge & Manhattan Beach Divisions --
    L.I.R.R Operation on the Brighton and Culver Lines.

Part Five: The New York, Woodhaven & Rockaway R.R,
    The New York & Rockaway Beach Railway,
    The New York & Long Beach Railroad,
    New York & Rockaway Railroad,
    Brooklyn Rapid Transit Operation to Rockaway over L.I.R.R.

Part 6: The Golden Age: 1881-1900.
I Austin Corbin, Portait of a Tycoon
II History of the LIRR as a Corporation 1881-1900
III The Montauk Extension 1881
IV The Cedarhurst Railroad 1885
V The Whitestone Extension 1886
VI The Oyster Bay Extension 1889
VII The New York Bay Extension R. R. 1893
VIII The Wading River Extension 1895
IX The Montauk Extension 1895
X The Port Washington Extension 1898
XI The Oyster Bay Sound Ferry & Boston 1892
XII Track, Track Changes & Right-of-way 1881-1900
XIII Service Facilities for Daily Operation 1881-1900
XIV Passenger Service and Fares 1881-1900
XV Rapid Transit Services
XVI Ferry Services
XVII The Freight & Express Business 1881-1900
XVIII Rolling Stock, Types, Changes 1881-1900
XIX Switch Towers and Interlocks
XX Labor Relations on the LIRR 1881-1900
XXI The LIRR in the Spanish-American War
Accident List
Locomotive Roster
Passenger Cars Roster
Private Cars
Station List

Part 7: The Age of Electrification: 1901-1916.
I The Long Island Railroad {sic} as a Corporation 1900-1916
II The Atlantic Avenue Improvement 1896-1907
III Terminal Expansion at Long Island City & Jamaica 1903
IV Electrification: The Physical Installations
V Electrification: The First Services
VI Background of the Penn Tunnels
VII Digging the Penn Tunnels
VIII The Sunnyside Yards
IX The Jamaica Grade Elimination
X North Side Elevation & Electrification
XI Four Improvements: Glendale Cut-off
Maple Grove Cut-off
Cold Spring Harbor Realignment
Woodside-Winfield Cut-off
XII Holban Yards and the Hollis-Queens Elevation
XIII The Cedarhurst Cutoff
XIV Rails, Roadbed and Extensions
XV Passenger Services 1900-1916
XVI Marine Operations 1900-1916
XVII Fares and Fare Structures
XVIII Freight, Baggage & Express Business
XIX Rolling Stock Changes
XX Towers, Signals & Interlocks
XXI Labor Relations
XXII The Long Island RR in the Farm Business
Accident List
Roster of Locomotives 1900-1917
Roster of Non-electric Passenger Cars
Roster of Electric Passenger Cars
Station Supplement
[Volumes (Parts) 1-5 are long out of print and virtually impossible to find.
 Volume (Part) 6 is now out of print and getting hard to find.
Volume (Part) 7 is still available from Mr. Seyfried
for $25.00 but he is running low and none will be reprinted.
(info. effective as of 13 Oct 00).]

Published by:
Vincent F. Seyfried
163 Pine Street
Garden City, New York  11530.

[If you run across earlier volumes, snap them up;
full sets, when found, were going for $450-$750 a set (as of Oct 00)!
I finally completed my set on 13 Oct 00 for a fair price!  What a treat!]

The next most authoritative (and far more readily available) are those by prolific writer Ronald P. (Ron) Ziel:

    "Steel Rails to the Sunrise - The Long Island Railroad", Ron Ziel and George H. Foster,
    Duell, Sloan and Pearce, New York, 1965, LoC 65-17166; a major history, profusely illustrated (b&w)
    and heavily captioned (newer edition now available).

    "The Pennsy Era on Long Island", Ron Ziel, Sunrise Special Ltd., Bridgehampton, 1984,
    LoC RM222.2H63, ISBN 0-312-39564-7; photo collection (many in color).

    "The Long Island Rail Road in Early Photographs", Ron Ziel,
    Dover Publications, Mineola, 1990, ISBN 0-486-26301-0; photo collection (b&w), heavily captioned.

    "Electric Heritage of the Long Island Rail Road - 1905-1975", Ron Ziel, with John Krause,
    Carstens Publications, Newton, 1986, ISBN 911868-50-X; photo collection (b&w), heavily captioned
    (with Errata Sheet).

For a much older history, the Long Island Division of the Queens Borough Public Library (89-11 Merrick Boulevard, Jamaica) has:

"A History of Long Island from its Earliest Settlement to the Present Time", Peter Ross,1903 - with a definitive history of LI railroads, including LIRR predecessors.

{The balance of the listings have been removed to make room for the definitive End-of-Steam Ceremony coverage which follows; see the Webmaster's LIRR Index for the rest.}

See also bibliographies on the Webmaster's pages covering more specific subjects, such as the BEDT (Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad), the Degnon Terminal Railroad, and boxcabs.

For motion pictures of LIRR steam in it's (Pennsy) glory days of the '50s, look at Ben Young's old hand-wound 16mm films from the "PENNSYLVANIA GLORY" tapes, Benjamin T. Young, Jr., especially Volume 1, produced and distributed by Herron Rail Video, 2016 North Village Avenue, Tampa, Florida  33612.   (URL added 05 Feb 03)

See also the Brooklyn Historic Railway Association and the legendary LIRR Atlantic Avenue Tunnel.


Bob Andersen (not a member) has put up a major "unofficial" LIRR page, with considerable detail on Competing Railroads, Searching for Abandoned ROW's, Recently Abandoned Stations (on existing lines), Individual Branches, Joint LIRR - Elevated and Subway Service, a Bibliography, and System Maps.


Lorraine Diehl gave us a great slide show at the 18 Mar 99 meeting; if you haven't got a copy, you really should read her fantastic ode to "The Late, Great Pennsylvania Station".  The meeting was also attended by Marijke A. Smit, Project Associate (in charge of history and archaeology) of the Pennsylvania Station Redevelopment Corporation"; they now expect to break ground on converting the sister McKim, Mead & White building, the James A. Farley Postal Center, into a glorious new Penn Station in 2000 and expect completion in 2003; there is an informative article on Marijke's excavation of the Jersey Meadows to uncover some of the pink marble debris dumped there when the Station was destroyed and also about some of the eagles and statuary that has been located and may return to grace the new building; it appeared as "End of An Error", the cover story of the April 1999 issue of Preservation, the Magazine of the National Trust for Historic Preservation, pp 43-51.

"We will probably be judged not by the monuments
we build but by those we have destroyed."

(New York Times editorial - 30 Oct 63)

It appears that many other surviving, original Penn Station artifacts will also be incorporated - columns, clocks, chandeliers, lamp posts, balusters, etc.


Speaking of survivors, I was out at the Illinois Railway Museum in Union (Rockford) on 24 Aug 99 and there, fading away, was Power Pack FA-2m #602 {my notes say #604 and the number on the photo to be scanned isn't very legible but it's #602}.


30 Jun 99 was the 100th Anniversary of Mile-a-Minute Murphy's 60mph+ run on the LIRR near Farmingdale; there was to have been a commemorative ceremony at the Farmingdale Station on Saturday, 26 June (no, there was NOT a re-enactment!).


End-of-Steam Ceremony, Hicksville, 08 Oct 1955 - Scheduled steam-hauled passenger service came to an official end at the Hicksville station on 08 October 1955 when two coach-loads of Boy Scouts were brought west from Riverhead and east from Jamaica to meet at Hicksville.  This material has been moved to LIRR Historical Society Continuation Page 1.



LIRR HELPER Section!

Fellow LIST/NRHS member Al Oslapas wrote from Michigan (06 Sep 99) that he spotted an LIRR heavyweight passenger car in a farmer's field south of Austin Rd, about 5 miles east of the hamlet of Napoleon in southeast Michigan (Napoleon is somewhere in the Lansing/Flint area).

Any idea of what it is?


On the subject of "what is it?", Dave Morrison sent in this photo of a wall tile from the Long Beach Station and wonders about its design (I show it inverted to make my point):

Long Beach Sta. Tile
(Photo (inverted) by and courtesy of D. Morrison - all rights reserved)

I maintain that it shows two heraldic lions (no, NOT sea lions), rampant, flanking Neptune's trident.  Does anyone have a better idea or, even better yet, any actual documentation as to the significance?



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