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S. Berliner, III's

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Long Island Rail Road Index Page

RAILROADING



LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD
(and related Long Island railroad information)
INDEX PAGE

LIRR Keystone

[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]

This site has now been visited times since the counter was re-installed 14 Sep 99.


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this INDEX PAGE and an LIRR Continuation Page 2,et seq., to fit the LIRR and related information and even another LI Continuation Page for other LI railroads.
You may wish to visit my RR page, as well.

Also, LILS - the Long Island Live Steamers courtesy page has been moved to a separate page.

[A new "bugaboo" has reared its ugly head - complexity of organization - see COMPLEXITY on my main index page.]


#35 Running
(photo courtesy D. Morrison)
[Thumbnail image - click on the picture for a larger image.]


There are two related topics here on this page:
(1) The Long Island Rail Road and (2) Long Island railroad information.

There IS a difference!

The Long Island Rail Road is the official name of the oldest Class 1 railroad still operating under its original name and charter (the B&O was older but has been subsumed into CSX).  Although there remain some official documents (and were even some cars lettered) with the two words combined, the correct name of the LIRR has the two words separately:

"Long Island Rail Road"!

There were and are other railroads on Long Island - these also are (or will be) covered here.


Click here re ex-railroad personnel records.


FULLY-LINKED INDEX:

(Because the main LIRR page overloaded, I moved or added major
  LIRR references here for the actual full links and subject matter):

If these links don't work, click "back" and scroll down!

[This Index Page created to provide full linking to the noted references
truncated on the LIRR other pages to save space.]

LIRR #401 - thumbnail of 258+Kb image!
The World's First Road Switcher - LIRR #401 of 1926
[Photograph from Long Island Rail Road archives;
click on thumbnail image to bring up full 258Kb photograph.]

ALCO-GE-IR BOXCABS, now on a separate page,
    including LIRR boxcabs #401, the world's first production diesel road switcher,
    #402 (first and second), #403, and many others.

Railroads you can model:

  Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad,

now on its own separate page
    and its successor roads, the New York Cross Harbor Railroad and New York Regional Rail.

  Degnon Terminal Railroad, plus

Murrer's Sidings
Kearney Sidings
See also Blissville/Laurel Hill (and Maspeth and Fresh Pond Yards).

The New York & Atlantic Railway, lessor of LIRR freight operations.

The New York Connecting Railroad (the old New Haven line from Oak Point Yard across the Hellgate Bridge
    and down through Fresh Pond to Bay Ridge)
will not be covered on this site; a new book about
    the NYCRR is coming out, sponsored by the LI Sunrise-Trail Chapter, NRHS (see below).
    There is a NYCRR Society!  See below.

    However, see my Z-Scale Articles page for a detailed writeup on the Hellgate in Z (1:220).


First, though, let's liven this deadly page up a bit with this fantastic Jun 1979 "David and Goliath" shot [by Tim Darnell ("TAD")] of LIRR GE 25-tonner #398 towing dead FA-2m #600 (probably in the Morris Park yard) - unless, of course, the FA is pushing the GE:

398/600
(cropped and enhanced by SB,III from 6/79 photo by T. Darnell - "TAD", courtesy of A. Inserra, - all rights reserved)

This is from Andy Inserra's Alcos in the USA and Canada and Beyond site!  This teen covers a lot of ground!

Considering the era of those two locomotives, perhaps I should call them "Mutt and Jeff"!


PAGE INDEX:

On the main LIRR Page:

    Some LIRR Links(but see below).

    Steam Locomotive #35 Restoration Committee
        (Friends of Locomotive #35 Incorporated)

{now Oyster Bay Railroad Museum}}
      Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #35
    Steam Locomotive #39 Restoration
        (Railroad Museum of Long Island)
      Restoration of Pennsy Class G5 Long Island Rail Road 4-6-0 #39

On LI Rail Road Continuation Page 1a:

    LIRR FIRSTS (moved here from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 01)
    LIRR Double-Deckers.
    LIRR Miscellany
    LIRR Cross-Sound Service - Oyster Bay to Wilson Point   link-add (21 Nov 2013)
    Oyster Bay Station in 1900   link-add (21 Nov 2013)
    Morris Park Maps
    LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY (moved to its own page from this page on 01 Mar 02)

On LI Rail Road Continuation Page 2:

    Odd Incident at Wreck Lead (on the LIRR)
    LIRR and LI Railroad Miscellany     Converted LIRR HEP/Cab Control Units
    Central RR of LI - moved CRR Page on 17 Feb 2002.
    Dashing Dan and Dottie

On LIRR Continuation Page 3:

    Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D - moved to LIRR page 6 on 17 Sep 01.
    Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR

East Williston Station
Sea Cliff (Avenue) Station
Glen Cove (old Nassau) Station
Glen Street Station

On LIRR Continuation Page 4:

    Blissville and Laurel Hill Sidings,

    Maspeth Yard, and Fresh Pond Yard and NY&AR/NYCRR Interchange info.
Blissville Sidings
Laurel Hill Sidings
Maspeth Yard
Fresh Pond Yard
LIRR MISCELLANY - continued
LIRR HELP

On LIRR Continuation Page 5:
    Central RR of LI - moved to separate CRR page on 17 Feb 02.
    LIRR DE30AC and DM30AC Locomotives
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued)

Locust Valley Station
Glen Street Station (update)
Oyster Bay Station

On LIRR Continuation Page 6:     Nassau County Police 2nd Pct. Booth D/Locust Tower (cont'd)
    Last Steam Runs (with car and loco numbers!)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 7:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2 and 5)

Oyster Bay Station (moved from LIRR page 5 on 23 Sep 02)
Oyster Bay Station Photos
Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On the LIRR Continuation Page 8:
    Victorian LIRR Stations (continued from LIRR pages 2, 5, and 7)

More on Oyster Bay Station (continued from LIRR page 7 on 23 Sep 02)
More Oyster Bay Station Photos
More Oyster Bay Station Dimensions

On the LIRR Continuation Page 9:

LIRR VW Railbus(es?)

On the LIRR Continuation Page 10:

The Death of PD Tower.
The Branch (Five Towns).

On the LIRR Continuation Page 11:

Long Island City Trip (ca. 2002?) (09 Dec 2014).
LIRR Photo Album in the 1907 Convention Issue of the Electric Railway Journal.,
        in turn in Traction Heritage, Vol. 4, No. 12 (09 Dec 2014).
Jamaica Station Canopy Clearance.   added (03 Feb 2017)

LIRR Class MP41 All-Steel Motorized Electric Passenger Car (1905) Page,
        with 1906 and 1911 text, dimensioned drawings, and photographs.   new.gif (08 Feb 2014) and rev.gif (08 Feb 2014)
  Street Railway Journal, Vol. XXVIII, No. 6, 11 Aug 1906:
    All eleven full pages, 216-226,
    Drawings, Figures 1 through 7 and 10 and 11.
    Detailed sections of drawings, Figures 1, 4, 5, and 10.
    Photographs, Figures 8 and 9 and 12 through 16.
  NYCTA Drawings of the 1904 Gibbs IRT Subway Car.   added.gif (09 Dec 2014)
  Street Railway Journal, 1911, (in Traction Heritage, Vol. 2, No. 1) -
    New Steel Motor Cars of the Long Island Railroad {sic}.   added.gif (09 Dec 2014)

On the Central RR of LI Page:
    Central RR of LI - moved to LIRR Cont. Page 5 on 17 Dec 2000,

and again on 17 Feb 02 to separate CRRof LI page.

Salisbury Plains Station ca. 1974
(Salisbury Plains Station on the LIRR Central Branch ca. 1974.)
[Photograph courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved.]

    Brief History of the Central RR of LI.

On the Central RR of LI Continuation Page 1:
    Traces of the CRRofLI RoW in Flushing?.
    Central RR Bridge.
    Meadowbrook/Salisbury Plains Station.
    Bethpage Branch.

On Central RR of LI Continuation Page 2:
    General Bronze Sidings.
    Bethpage Junction "B" Tower.

On the Central RR of LI Continuation Page 3:
    Mitchel Field Aerial Views.
    WWI Long Island Map.

On the Central RR of LI Continuation Page 4:
    Mitchel Field Aerial Views.

On LI Railroads Continuation Page:
    Long Island Railroads
    Port Washington/Soundview/Manorhaven/Sands Point Railroad Tunnel
    The Steinway System.
    Cold Spring Harbor RR?
    LIRR FIRSTS and LIRR Bibliography
    (both formerly on this page; moved to LIRR Continuation page 1a on 10 Dec 2001 and

LIRR Bibliography moved to its own page on 01 Mar 2002)

G&G#55
(Goodwin-Gallagher S&G #55 tank engine in the Port Washington sand pits.)
[Photograph by W. S. Boerckel; courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved.]

On the LI Railroads Bibliography Page:

LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY (moved there from this page on 01 Mar 2002
    and here from LI Railroads Continuation Page on 10 Dec 2001)

On the PRR pages:

On the main PRR Page:

    The Infamous G˝ (half GG1)
    PRR Paint Color Codes
    The HIPPO Boiler Question
    THE SOUTH PENN RR
    The Only B4a Still Steaming (the only B4a at all?)
    PRR Modeling (including Penn Line and Cary)
    PRR Links

On the PRR Continuation Page 1:

    BNSF Red Rock Sub in OK/TX (moved from main PRR page 16 Jul 2000)
    "Main Line"
    PRR Marker Lights (moved from main PRR page 16 Jul 2000)
    PRR Help and "Whatsis"

On separate pages:

    Long Island Sunrise-Trail Chapter
(National Railway Historical Society)

    Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.

RR Personnel Records.
Long Island Rail Road Historical Society.
Books on the Long Island Rail Road.
End-of-Steam Ceremony, Hicksville, 08 Oct 1955.
LIRR Helper Section.

    Sunrise Trail Division

(Northeastern Region)
(National Model Railroad Association)

    Long Island Live Steamers.

    My/Dave Morrison's RAILROAD EAGLES page about the

Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal eagles.


Kudos to Bill Russell at NYU; Bill has a RR site that is unbelievable; I've never seen all of it, but there are zillions of pages about NY metropolitan area railroading and rail-marine operations (car floats, ferries, pocket terminals, BEDT, NYCH, LIRR and PRR, tugs) etc.  Take a look starting with his RAILINFO page.

One of his newsthreads was about the West Side Freight Line (the elevated trackage rotting away in southwestern Manhattan); it reminded me of a rather bizarre feature of LI railroading (another item, about the WSFL, is on my RR page):

NOTE:  The New York Connecting RR now has a new URL and site; ; they publish a newsletter, "The Connecting".


Bob Andersen has put up a major "unofficial" LIRR page at http://www.lirrhistory.com/, with considerable detail on

"Early History (1834-1900),
The Pennsy years {to folllow},
Competing Railroads,
Searching for Abandoned ROW's,
Recently Abandoned Stations (on existing lines),
Individual Branches,
Joint LIRR - Elevated and Subway Service,
a Bibliography, and
System Maps
    (I make no representation to keep this current).

See Tom Scannello's Old NYC site with his Virtual Tours of abandoned and little used railroad lines in NYC.

note-rt.gif  Art Huneke, LIRR historian and pictorialist (is there such a word?) extraordinaire has put up a fantastic site on LIRR history at ARRT's ARRchives:

LIRR PHOTOS.
RReal Trains.
ATLANTIC AVENUE RAILROAD - FLATBUSH AVENUE TERMINAL -
    U.S. MAIL BROOKLYN TO JAMAICA.
OLDE TIMETABLES - TICKETS - PASSES.
PENNSY PAGE including PENN STATION.
POSTAL HISTORY - Hinsdale History - OTHER OLDE STUFF.
FREIGHT - MONTAUK CATTLE.
THE STEWART LINE - CENTRAL RAIL ROAD OF LONG ISLAND et seq.
BOOKS of RULES - PERFORMANCE - SNOW - DREAMS.
TRAIN ORDERS and STATIONERY.
THE FINAL WEEK OF STEAM - OCTOBER 8th THROUGH OCTOBER 16th.
FAST TRAIN TO GREENPORT - BEFORE SHEA - UN - World's Fairs.
BY RAIL TO THE SEA - EAST ENDER - FISH - RACE TRACKS.
WADING RIVER BRANCH.

    just to note his headings, with direct page links, as of 04 Oct 2001
Plus he (21 and 29 Nov 01) added:

THE L.I.R.R.'S FOUR BATTERY CARS, and
MITCHEL FIELD, ARMED FORCES DAY - THE CIRCUS AND THE LONG ISLAND RAIL ROAD.

    (I make no representation to keep this current).

Art had a major birthday and his wife threw him a wing-ding of a party, at which nearly all of the great names in LIRR and other NY-area RR history were present (why me, then?) - from the Huneke's 2006 Christmas card:

Arrt & Friends
(photo courtesy D. & A. Huneke)

Standing at rear (l. to r.):  Sid Finkelstein; NYCR author Bob Sturm; LIRR photo collector Ron Zinn, Subway maven Stan Fischler; former Oyster Bay and Port Jeff Branch Manager and LIRR author Dave Morrison; LIRR diesel author and publisher John Scala (the Weekend Chief); transit author Paul Matus; MTA Superintendent of Operation Planning and rail photographer Jeff Erlitz; and LIRR rolling stock, facilities, and modeling author Mike Boland.

Standing behind Art:  Subway maven Stan Fischler (l.) and me (r.).

Seated:  Birthday boy Art Huneke.

What an array of LIRR history power; all we needed was Vince Seyfried and Ron Ziel for a full house!

See also the Brooklyn Historic Railway Association and the legendary LIRR Atlantic Avenue Tunnel.


The Long Island Rail Road is an agency of New York State's Metropolitan Transportation Authority.  It was chartered on 24 April 1834 to run from the Long Island City ferries across from Manhattan to Orient Point, some 120 miles east on the North Fork of Long island where it would connect by ferry with the Old colony railroad at Stonington, Connecticut, and so on to Boston.

This was a great idea until the New York, New Haven, and Hartford Railroad bridged all the rivers and bays and inlets along the Connecticut coast ca. 1850 and provided direct rail service from New York City to Beantown.  The LIRR, having ignored all the towns along the Island and been built on the most barren (and inexpensive) land on the Island now had no "raison d'ętre" and had to scurry to build or buy branches to the population centers on Long Island.  The LIRR finally connected directly with Manhattan on the completion in September 1910 of the East River tunnels and Pennsylvania Station.  Eventually, it fell into the hands of the Pennsylvania Railroad (1928-1949), before becoming part of the MTA in 1965.

For information on the wonderful LIRR #322 (the first LIRR electric), #323 (Pennsy #10001, the second), and other early LIRR boxcab electrics, see the Odd Boxcabs page (which covers electric boxcabs).


Vincent F. Seyfried wrote a definitive 7-volume history of the LIRR which is out of print and hard to find; volumes are occasionally available on eBay and such - see my LIRR BIBLIOGRAPHY.

Note further that Vince was also (actually, primarily) a historian of Queens and Garden City; he passed away on 14 April 2012 at age 93 and will be sorely missed.   rev (04 Sep 2012)


LIRR site http://www.lirr.net/ is not available; Gary Gross passed away Oct 1999..


The Sunrise Trail Division of the Northeastern Region of the National Model Railroad Association now has its own listing on the NER Web page.


Long Island Live Steamers (LILS)

LILS, miniature live steam (and diesel and electric) operators running at mostly 1˝" scale (also some 1" and rare ¾") in Southhaven Park at William Floyd Parkway (Suffolk County Route 46) and Sunrise Highway (U.S. Route 27).

See also HOW TO BOOT A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE or
    How to hostle without really tiring -
    (Firing up a cold oil burner - 1:1 scale, that is).


On my Vest Pocket Railroads You Can Model section on MRR Continuation Page 2, after the Degnon Terminal Railroad, and Murrer's (3rd Street) Sidings and Kearney Sidings writeups, I refer to Blissville and Laurel Hill.


WARNING!  Historians should note that the right-of-way of William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.'s Long Island Motor Parkway and that of Alexander T. Stewart's Central Railroad of Long Island, now the LIRR's Central Branch, paralleled each other in several areas and should NOT be casually confused.  The LIMP RoW is the one under the LIPA (ex-LILCO) lines in central and eastern Nassau County and far western Suffolk County, at least as far east as the Maxess Road area.

Speaking of the LIRR and the Motor Parkway, see the reminiscence about both on the Motor Parkway page by the late LI aviation pioneer, George Dade.

1906 LONG ISLAND MAPS - For links to a huge set of segments of the large-scale 1906 E. Belcher Hyde map of Long Island, done by Albert Volk, "Map Engraver" of Philadelphia, click here.  There is a staggering amount of turn-of-the-20th-century (pre-WWI) LI information, such as all the LIRR junctions, and LIRR Pres. Austin Corbin's estate on map 15, just SSE of Deer Park.  The resolution is not quite good enough to read all property owners's names but many are quite legible, such as William K. Vanderbilt, Jr.'s property (Deepdale) at Lakeville.


[this page was separated out from my RAILROAD and LI Railroads pages;
you might wish to see them also.]


You may wish to visit the Railroad Continuation Page, et seq.

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of this series of Railroad pages.


LEGACY

  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.

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