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S. Berliner, III
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Technical and Historical Writer, Oral Historian
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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

{Many images lost; see Problem}


S. Berliner, III's

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LONG ISLAND
Continuation Page 3

note-rt - I moved from Long Island to Massachusetts in July 2010
and these pages may not be kept current.


Page Index

On the main Long Island page:
    Long Island (and related) Links.
    Long Island Studies Institute.
    Walt Whitman.

On the Long Island Continuation Page 0 (material moved 17 Mar 04):
    Long Island (and related) Links.
    Long Island's Original Inhabitants (Native Americans/Indians).
    Culluloo Telawana (last of the Rockaway Indians).
    Inisfada - St. Ignatius Retreat House.
    Gould Gatehouse.
    Bella Vista Auto Enthusiasts Hangout.

On the Long Island Continuation Page 1:
    1906 Hyde Map of Long Island.
    Long Island's Original East End.
    Rock Hall.
    Lord's Woods.
    Long Island Questions.

On the Long Island Continuation Page 2:
    Suydam Homestead (Suydam House and Barn Museum).
    Oyster Bay - village, town, ship.
    Sea Cliff.
    Great Paths - Indian Trails to Highways.
    1918 Topo Map of Nassau County.

On this Long Island Continuation Page 3:
    Long Island Automotive Manufacturing (moved to this page 04 Jun 03).
    FRP.   new (21 Feb 2017)
    The LONG ISLAND MOTOR VEHICLE COMPANY.
    Fulton, Cantrell, etc.
    Hienie's Place Token.

This page was separated out from my main Long Island page
and none are restricted to just the history of Long Island.


[See the disclaimer on the History page and AUTHORITY on my Home Page.]


LONG ISLAND

A great place to live, to explore
(and to go broke)!

[It's upscale and expensive and getting more so every day.
What will happen to all those affluent middlemen and .com-ers
and their flashy showpiece homes when the bubble breaks?]

DIRECTIONAL NOTE: - Long Island actually aligns west-southwest by east-northeast but locals use "north" to mean compass north-northwest, etc.

Long Island, called Paumanok by the local Algonkian Native Americans (13 "tribes" of them), is shaped like a whale running east to west, with the twin forks as the tail flukes facing east towards England, which is why it was nicknamed the Sunrise Homeland by developers between the wars:

LISatelliteView
(Long Island Satellite View)
{replaced 23 Feb 2017}

Manhattan is to the far left (west) across the East River (actually only a tidal estuary) and New York City, which encompasses Manhattan, Staten Island, and the Bronx, also includes Brooklyn [the lower left (southwest) corner of Long Island and Queens [the upper left (northwest) corner of the Island.  Connecticut is to the top (north) across Long Island Sound, with Rhode Island to its east, diagonally upper-right (northwest).  Peconic Bay is between the forks and the Atlantic Ocean is at the bottom (south), beyond the Great South Bay, enclosed by the long string of barrier beaches - Coney Island at the far left (west), Rockaway Beach, Atlantic Beach, Long Beach Jones Beach, Fire Island, the Hamptons, and finally Montauk Point itself at the far right (east).  The north fork ends at Orient Point, with Plum Island just offshore and Gardiners Island between the points.


Long Island Automotive Manufacturing

    (moved to this page 04 Jun 2003)

Great paths only became great highways because of the introduction of the automobile.  Long Island was right in there with the best of them when it came to early pioneering efforts to produce automobiles and motor trucks.  Perhaps the most famous of these were the two operations, both in the same Steinway Building on the north side of Queens Plaza in Long Island City, the American Mercedes and the American Rolls Royce.  The former was an attempt by the Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft to penetrate the newly-emerging American market prior to WWI and the latter by Rolls-Royce to do the same after the war (effectively killed by the Great Depression).  However, both of these were local manufacturing of foreign designs.

For home-grown talent, one of the best known to auto buffs is William K(issam). Vanderbilt, Jr., of Lake Success and Centerport and Oakdale (at least), under whose ægis the Vanderbilt Cup Races were held and the Long Island Motor Parkway built.  Now, the Motor Parkway was designed and built as a testing ground for automobile manufacturers, as well as a racecourse, but, after many deaths and injuries, the racers refused to use it and the manufacturers moved to Detroit, so that bright idea never flew.

Smithtown resident Arthur R. Pardington, an early auto enthusiast who helped create the Motor Parkway, also helped create the Lincoln Highway (today's Route 30), the first coast-to-coast through route.  This is noted in a sidebar in NEWSDAY L.I. History- Pioneers in Motion (thanks to LIMP aficionado John Herling for this tip).  However, the main focus of that page is on Francis Maurice Richard, a Frenchman who invented the two-cycle engine and built a huge one-lunger auto in Port Jefferson in 1909 called the ONLY!  It was not a great success and was succeeded by his METROPOLE, not much more successful, and, when the firm folded, the plant was bought by Finley Robertson Porter who used it to build his F.R.P., which was so expensive that virtually no one bought it!  So much for Port Jeff's auto pioneering! (moved from page 1 on 19 May 2003)

AHA!  While posting information about the mahogany-bodied 1913 Peugeot "Skiff" in the collection of the Seal Cove Auto Museum in Tremont on Mount Desert Island, Maine, I discovered that they also hold (would you believe?) a 1915 F.R.P.!   new (21 Feb 2017)

1915FRV1 1915FRV2
(photos courtesy of Seal Cove Auto Museum - all rights reserved)
[click on thumbnailed photos for larger images]

The Museum lists these specifications {edited}:
    Manufacturer: Finley-Robertson-Porter Company, Port Jefferson, New York 1914-1918
    Model: 45, Chassis #5
    Coachbuilder: Brewster
    Cost new: Chassis $5,000 Body $3,000
    Number produced: 9
    Engine: Single overhead camshaft, in-line, four-cylinder, water-cooled
    Horsepower: 100
    Transmission: Four-speed, selective sliding
    Suspension: Semi-elliptic leaf springs
    Brakes: Mechanical, on rear wheels
    Special features: #5 of only nine built and the only one known to survive
and states that it was "Advertised as 'America's Foremost Pleasure Car'" and that "the F.R.P. was also one of America’s most expensive and most limited edition cars. With a top-speed of 80-plus M.P.H., this very rare car was designed by Finley R. Porter, creator of the T-head Mercer Raceabout."

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Motor Parkway Panel member and LIMP researcher Al Velocci told me of the Fulton Motor Truck, built in Farmingdale on the north side of Conklin Avenue just east of Route 110, in a plant that later became part of Republic Aviation and is now gone, ca. 1916-1920s.

Al also advised me that Mack Truck started here, in Brooklyn.  The Mack brothers (John M. "Jack", Augustus F., and William C.) had bought out the Fallesen & Berry carriage and wagon builders (where Jack Mack had started in 1890) in 1894, experimented with electric and steam propulsion ca. 1900, and started making autobuses in that year.  The immediate success of the Mack bus quickly led to the introduction of the Mack truck in 1904 and, in 1905, the firm moved to Allentown, Pennsylvania.

Aha!  Cynthia Blair, writing in NEWSDAY's "It happened on Long Island" feature for Tuesday, 06 May 2003, describes how Joseph Theodore Cantrell and his brother Albert, Huntington woodworkers who, in 1905, bought out the shop in which Joseph had been apprenticed, bought a 1915 Model T Ford chassis and fabricated a closed wooden body for it, which they called a "Depot Wagon".  The style caught on and they were inundated with orders for what became America's first station wagon (the "woodie", what the Brits call a "station break").  As J. T. Cantrell & Company, they continued until 1926 when they moved to Huntington Station.  During WWII, the firm made wooden bodies for military vehicles, finally giving up the ghost in 1958.  Unfortunately, the accompanying illustration is NOT of woodie but an ad for a "Full Panel Delivery Body" labelled "Model A" but clearly on what appears to be a Model T chassis; if it is in fact on that even-older original Ford Model A (not the better-known 1920's Model A), and not merely a reference to a body style, it far predates the Cantrells.

On 02 Oct 2004, while reading about "woody" bodies on post-war Dodge Power Wagons on Joe Cimoch's Power Wagon site, I ran across a description of woody bodies made by Joseph T. Cantrell (1875 - ) and his brother Albert right here in Huntington Station!  The site carries a full article from the Nov-Dec 1973 issue of Antique Automobile magazine that is well worth reading.  Joseph started making "depot wagons" on Model T chassis in 1915 in Huntington in T. Scudder's former blacksmith and carriage shop, moved to Huntington Station in 1925, and continued at least through 1950 or later.  To cater to those who could afford custom bodywork, he advertised J. T. Cantrell & Company as "Designers of Cars for Country Use".

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BINGO! - The LONG ISLAND MOTOR VEHICLE COMPANY of Brooklyn!  Looking through the Pardington (above) papers in the Handley Collection at the Smithtown (New York) Public Library, I ran across many fabulous early motoring photos, among which was this jewel by (and including) Hal Fullerton, himself:

LIMotorVehicle
(1901 H. Fullerton photo courtesy of Smithtown Public Library - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on photo for MUCH larger (1.3Mb) image]
{Unfortunately, this is a dark xerocopy and I can't pull up more detail.}

That's Fullerton at the right and Pardington at the left leaving one to assume that's Mr. Webb in back (there are two prints - the other is the reverse of this one - but the tiller is in the center so I can't tell which is right-reading).  Note the small wheels; most motor vehicles of the day had huge wheels.

Not only that, but the back of the 8" x 10" print has four informative stickers:

LIMotorVehBack
(Back of 1901 H. Fullerton photo courtesy of Smithtown Public Library - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on photo for larger image]

Rather than have you strain your eyeballs, I reassembled the images of the stickers:

LIMotorVehBackMontage
(Montage from back of 1901 H. Fullerton photo courtesy of Smithtown Public Library - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image - click on photo for larger image]

AND, just in case you still have trouble reading the texts, the bottom one reads:

    LONG ISLAND MOTOR VEHICLE
        COMPANY
    BROOKLYN, N.Y.
            --------
      FIRST VEHICLE BUILT
    GASOLINE SURRY{sic}, DESIGNED {should read "SURREY"}
    BY CHAS ROCKCLIFF, ENGR.

The top sticker reads:

    FIRST ROAD TEST,
    SUNDAY, JAN. 6th, 1901, BY
    H. B. FULLERTON_ F.G. WEBB
    AND A. R. PARDINGTON.
            PHOTO TAKEN BY
    H. B. FULLERTON, TAKEN ON
    MERRICK ROAD

If one goes by this sticker, the print shown is reversed.  My, but Merrick Road has changed!  But where on Merrick Road, which is some 100 miles long (assuming it is today's Merrick Road/Montauk Highway, NYS Route 27A)?

The center (right) sticker reads:

    TEST RECORD,
    DISTANCE  63.5 {miles, one presumes}
    TIME     5.4.12m
    PER HOUR 14.22
    PER MT.    4.M. 55S
    PASS.             4
    WEIGHTS:
       WAGON       1800
      PASS.           690
    FUEL .       4.5 GAL.
    COST           $.03
    Mi.PR.GAL       14.11
    COST PR M.        .01
    PER PASS.       ¼CT
    WATER   6 GAL.
    NO BREAKS
Lastly, the left sticker (apparently a list of reviews) reads:
    MOTOR V. REVIEW.  JAN 10, 1901
    AUTOMOB.MAGAZ.    MARCH    "
    BROOKLYN EAGLE    FEB 25,1901
    AMER.AUTOMOB.     MARCH    "
    AUTOMO.TOPICS     MAR 9, 1901
    AUTO BAIN         MARCH,1901
This last entry is a puzzler, "AUTO BAIN"?  "Bain" is French for "bath"!  Could it be mis-spelled German - "AUTO BAHN"?

I can't place Webb, he may have been an early incorporator of the LI Motor Parkway, but Hal Fullerton is very well known to LIRR and LI history buffs; he was the official PR flack for the LIRR, taking endless photos and setting up a demonstration farm with his wife Edith, and opening up LI to the commuter boom.  Edith drove Teddy Roosevelt around the farm in an IHC buggy.

Where on Merrick Road?  Well, if we assume it was at the far end of the test run, 63.5 miles one-way from Brooklyn, that would put us in the vicinity of Center Moriches!  Not a bad run at all for 1901 and a newly designed vehicle.

Can anyone give us more info. on the Long Island Motor Vehicle Company?

- - - * - - -

More LI auto manufacturers to be dug up and posted here
(any help will be greatly appreciated).

This is NOT about a manufacturer but a correspondent now living in Lancaster, PA, asked about a building along Jamaica Avenue in Floral Park that was auto-related (supposedly a builder) and had the name of the company is etched into the facade.  How about B&G Sales & Service, Inc., on the southeast corner of Tulip Avenue and Jericho Turnpike (it's Jamaica Avenue in Queens County), adjacent to the LIRR's old Creedmoor Branch?  Thanks to Art Huneke, here are a 1929-30 photo, a blow up, and a detail of the facade:

B&G, Floral Park 1

B&G, Floral Park 2

B&G, Floral Park 3
(1929-30 photo courtesy of A. Huneke - all rights reserved)

B&G dealt in Willys Overland and Overland Whippet as well as Sales and Service and Accessories; they also sold 1930 license plates.  There's an interesting coincidence there; Whippet ended up in Chrysler and then Willys-Overland became Jeep and then AMC-Jeep and that's now Chrysler!  The detail is especially interesting to me; it seems to show a bell surmounted by a tasseled Phrygian (liberty) cap.  What are the initials on the bell (RPS, 8PS, ???)?  Could it have been a real bell with a fire company's initials?  How about a school bell - P.S. #8?

The facade of the ornamentation has B&G in relief (not etched).  This is not the right building but the photo sure has a lot to it.  I'd love to know what the notes on the doors say or what's on the poster on the light pole or how much that sedan for sale up front was going for.

The right building is located at 215th Street and Jamaica Avenue, the "Callister Building".  It was owned by Thomas Callister, a Manxman, who was joined by his brother William in 1849; they ran a "wagon and motor-car business".

A glass company located in part of the Callister Building is at 215-20 Jericho Turnpike and that's in Queens Village, not Floral Park.  Here it is, in full and up close, courtesy of Fred Knarr:

Callister Bldg

Callister bdg c/u
(31 May/01 Jun 03 photo by and courtesy of F. Knarr - all rights reserved)

Good thing I moved this to a new page!  Al Velocci advises that Vince Seyfried has more on this building in his book, "The Story of Queens Village", published in 1974; Callister Bros. were wagon and carriage builders at that location starting sometime in the 1860's.  The present building is their third, the other two were each destroyed by fire.  In 1915, they advertised that they were builders of automobiles and trucks but it may well be that they never actually built any.


This has nothing much to do with anything in particular but for some 47 years now I have been eating at (or, previously, been cooked for at nearby My Friend's) by Max Dertolis, the long-time proprietor of the Cozy Corner Diner/Coffee Shop in Glen Cove, on the southeast corner of Sea Cliff and Glen Cove Avenues.  The building was put up ca. 1937 and someone found a construction shot and gave it to Max.  So, with Max's kind permission, here it is, looking southeast across the intersection:

Cozy Corner ca. '37

and here it is on 22 Aug 03 - that hump on top was formerly a bowling alley:

Cozy Corner 22 Aug 03
(22 Aug 03 photo by and ©: 2003 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image - click on photo for larger image]

Cozy Corner was in no way preposessing but Max's (and Johnnie's) cooking was simply great
and former colleague and long-time friend Althea's service is warm and personal.  Max retired and Johnny bought him out, just in time for:

DISASTER! - the Martone interests closed the building on the pretext of refurbishing it, putting the Cozy Corner in abeyance, but what has happened is that they gutted it totally, have a sports center moving in upstairs, and now (ca. 15 Sep 2005) have flown a banner proclaiming that the first floor is for rent!  So much for the neighborhood - no restaurant, no supermarket, no cleaner, no thrift shop, etc.!

WORSE! - around October 2005 or so, banners were added stating that "Training Station Fitness & Racquet Centers" would be opening there; just what the neighborhood needs!  A high-end business that the locals can neither afford to patronize or need (they walk)!  The cleaner found a way to operate temporarily out of trailers at the south end of the site but all the other businesses, including Johnny's Cozy Corner are long gone.  Gutted is a misnomer, nearly-totally-demolished would be more accurate.

Cozy Corner 16 Nov 05 Cozy Corner 16 Nov 05
(16 Nov 05 photos by and ©: 2005 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images - click on photos for larger images]

Update pix and more info to follow as events unfold.


It is not very far, perhaps 5 miles, from the Cozy Corner to the former Harbor Hill estate of Clarence H. MacKay (pronounced Muh-KYE') [which is now the Village of East Hills!] but they are a vast cultural distance apart.  Built to McKim, Mead & White designs from 1900 to 1902 and demolished in 1947, nothing remains of the estate except the gate and swimming pool at the northeast corner of Roslyn Road and (naturally enough) Harbor Hill Road.  It was one of America's grandest estates and here is a 1923 aerial view by Guy Lowell, apparently from the Town of North Hempstead:

Harbor Hill 1923
(1923 photo from SPLIA postcard - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image - click on photo for a larger image]


RR'ing buddy Nick Kalis has embarked on a course to document (and model), to the best of his very-significant ability, the area around Yard A of the LIRR south of Northern Boulevard (Route 25A) in Long Island City.  This is documented (awful pun!) on the Website of the Greater Astoria Historical Society at:

http://www.astorialic.org/topics/industry/industrya.shtm.

Here's a product of the National Casket Co. (29-76 Northern Boulevard) of which Nick might have been previously unaware:

Nat'l Casket Bottle
(private provenance - NOT cropped)

It appears to be an embalming fluid (formalin/formaldehyde) bottle from the '20s.


An e-mail on 23 May 2008 revealed that the sender had found an old token, about the size of a quarter, worth 10 cents at Heinie's Place, while metal detecting in River Rouge, Michigan (10 miles south of Detroit).  The finder wondered if it is from the old tavern in Commack (now the Bonwit Inn), noted under "Spurs" on my Long Island Motor Parkway Suffolk County page 3.  I'm posting it there and here and on the Bonwit page in hopes that someone might know; "Heinie" was a WWI name for Germans and there may well have been hundreds of "Heinie's Places" all across the country, especially in German neighborhoods.

Heinie's Place Token Obverse   Heinie's Place Token Reverse
(Both photos taken 23 May 2008 by finder - all rights reserved)


See also the Fairchild Aerial Survey page.



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