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Marion River Carry Railroad
Continuation Page 1


MARION RIVER CARRY RAILROAD
(continued)

(moved from SB,III's MODEL RAILROADING Page 2 on 02 May 02)


In Memoriam - Jean Carmichael

2 May 1913 - 23 March 2006

Jean, doyenne of the Carmichael family of St. Hubert's/Good Shepherd,
passed away peacefully at 1:32 am Thursday 23 March.

[Go in peace, dear Jean.]


NOTE:  It appeared that my pages were limited by AT&T, without warning, to 30kB!  Thus, I qas forced to add these separate pages to fit the expanded coverage of this tiny carrier.


INDEX

[To conserve space, this index has been truncated by removing some detail links;
go to the pages indicated - they are each indexed fully.]

On the MAIN Marion River Carry Railroad page:

    Marion River Carry Railroad - moved to this page on 02 May 02.
    Richard Sanders Allen's "The Carry Railroad"

On this Marion River Carry Railroad page:

    Turnouts.
    1902 Survey Map.

On the Marion River Carry Railroad continuation page 2.

    Modules.
  new (29 Oct 2013)

On the MAIN Model RR page:

    Sunrise Trail Division (STD) of the
        Northeastern Region (NER) of the
        National Model Railroad Association (NMRA)
    Long Island - Sunrise Trail Chapter (LIST) of the
        National Railway Historical Society (NRHS)
    Long Island Live Steamers     and model railroading miscellany at the end.

On the mrr page 2:

    Vest Pocket Railroads You Can Model:

Marion River Carry Railroad - moved to this page on 02 May 02.

Degnon Terminal Railroad, plus
    Murrer's Sidings
    Kearney Sidings
    as well as (on an LIRR page):
  Blissville/Laurel Hill,
Blissville Sidings
Laurel Hill Sidings
    and Maspeth and Fresh Pond -
Maspeth Yard
Fresh Pond Yard

The Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad segment was moved to its own separate page on 07 Sep 99.

New York & Atlantic Railway.

On MRR Continuation Page 3:

Model Railroading Miscellany
PRR/Wrong Island #007 Cabin Car
Garden Railway Scales
Making a Stacker from a Front End Loader
Berlinerwerke-ALCo RSD-1m
Model Railroading HELP!

On MRR Continuation Page 4:

Great Northern/Western Fruit Express Reefers -
    (moved to MRR page 4 on 07 May 01).
Railroad Grades
Model Railroad Photgraphy
More Model Railroad Miscellany, with
    Hobbytown of Boston (Bear Locomotive Co.).

On Z-Scale pages:

    Z-Scale
    Z-Scale Narrow Gauge (really)
    Scale and Gauge
    Scale Conversion Table
    Ztrack Magazine
    Z-Scale Miscellany
    Z-Scale Wiring Conventions
    Z-Scale Vehicles and Märklin Rubber Autos
    and much more on Page 2 and noted below.
    Sub-Z-Scale Page with
Half-Z Scale - 1:440 Tiny Trains and even 1:900 Tiniest Trains!

[To conserve space even further, the index for material on separate pages has been removed; see the main model RR page.]


Visit the courtesy and official home pages listed in the index on the main MRR page.


You may also wish to jump to SB,III's RAILROAD Page.


MARION RIVER CARRY RAILROAD

A VEST POCKET RAILROAD
YOU CAN MODEL
(continued)

MARION RIVER CARRY RAILROAD

(Continuation Page 1)

MRCRR
Photo courtesy of the Adirondack Museum

H. K. PORTER 0-4-0T LOCOMOTIVE No. 2 ON DISPLAY AT THE
ADIRONDACK MUSEUM,
BLUE MOUNTAIN LAKE, NEW YORK

This is one fantastic museum and well worth a trip to the heart of the Adirondacks!

A lot of historical information about the Marion River Carry Railroad is also available on the website of The Church of The Good Shepherd, on St. Hubert's Isle in Raquette Lake.

The Marion River Carry Railroad may well have been the shortest standard-gauge passenger line in history and certainly had one of the smallest standard-gauge steam locomotives built in the 20th Century.  The Marion River is one of the waterways in the Fulton Chain of Lakes system running diagonally east-northeast in New York State's Adirondack Mountains from near Utica through Raquette Lake to Blue Mountain Lake (the Eckford Lakes).  Extended culturally, if not strictly hydrologically, Long Lake, Tupper Lake, Saranac Lake, and Lake Placid to the northeast and Indian Lake to the southeast can be included.

{preliminary}

Turnouts on the Marion River Carry Railroad (moved here from the main Marion River Carry Railroad page on 04 Aug 05) - I always remembered the Marion River Carry Railroad as being just a single track point-to-point (dock-to-dock) line with no side tracks, spurs, or attendant turnouts (switches), but it had been abandoned for many years before I stumbled on it with my dad on a canoe trip up the Marion River ca. 1940-41.  Well, an e-mail about switching on the Marion River Carry Railroad set me to thinking; how could full-sized, standard-gauge freight cars have been transported from Raquette Lake to Blue Mountain Lake up the Marion, across the Carry, and through Utowanna and Eagle Lakes, unless there was a way to get them on the tracks ahead of (or behind) #2?  I started by reviewing the postcards and other photos on the Good Shepherd site, the 1902 William Henry Jackson photo (tinted) of the Lower Carry on the Marion River at the head where it flows to Raquette Lake and the 1918 one of the Upper Carry on Utowana Lake were the most promising:

1902 WHJackson Lower Carry 1918 Upper Carry
(postcard views courtesy of the Church of the Good Shepherd - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images - click on pictures for larger images]

I then enhanced and enlarged them:

excerpted 1902 WHJackson Lower Carry excerpted 1918 Lower Carry
(enhanced enlargements of postcard views courtesy of the Church of the Good Shepherd - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images - click on pictures for larger images]

[What follows is completely revised; I had labeled the 1902 excerpt
"'Upper' Carry" in error and got the text completely scrambled.]

The view of the Lower Carry (the one at the Marion River where it opens to Raquette Lake) looks very much like what I remember was left when I first saw it.  The view of the Upper Carry (the one at Utowanna Lake) looks nothing like what I saw back then in the early 1940s and has far more going on than I ever realized.  This will take some serious study, aided by my correspondent's first-hand recollections.

Could that be a pile of sawdust from the sawmill in the distance?

More to the point, though, let's examine the Upper Carry photo more closely; it shows a car float head on to the pier and #2 moving at an angle around an open gondola/hopper car:

enlarged 1918 Upper Carry
(extreme enhanced enlargement of postcard view courtesy of the Church of the Good Shepherd - all rights reserved)

That little engine worked a lot harder than I ever realized

You can even see a horsecar behind the loco.  This establishes that, at least when the photo was taken in 1918, the engine faced east (as I remember it in the shed).  Now, why was #2 heading onto (or off of) the float with a horsecar?

Look closely; there HAS to be a turnout between where the rails connect between the "main line" (HA!) and the float and the line running alongside the bulkhead of the passenger pier. There did NOT have to be any runaround track if, as my correspondent states (edited), the "train backed under the roofed shed (what roofed shed?) and cars were towed off the barge with a winch tower (part of which is still laying along track on left side) and then pushed to the upper dock.  There was also a winch there to reverse the process.  All that was required at the Lower Carry on the Marion was that #2, trailing its horsecars, tucked its nose behind the freight car and pushed it to the Upper Carry landing, where the winch would pull it onto the Utowanna/Eagle/Blue Mountain car float:

revised MRCRR diagram
(Map redrawn 27 Jul 2005 after Michael Kudish in Allen, et al. 1999, and revised by SB,III on 03 Aug 05 - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image, click on diagram for larger image.]

{This version needs some serious rethinking!}

The float at the Upper Carry does not appear to be lined up with the rust bucket (I mean freight car); if it's at the railhead, that even further complicates the track layout.  As Pooh would say, "Oh, bother!"; I think I'll stick to, "Oh, brother!"

There would have had to be another turnout for lumber from (or logs for) the sawmill, if such service was indeed provided and that might have served for the Utowanna dock.  In addition, there could have been two turnouts to bypass the engine shed, since it is highly-unlikely that full-size freight cars ran through the shed (although I don't recall any evidence of such by 1940-41).

My correspondent says that the shed was single-ended (not the way I remember it), thus absolutely requiring at least one turnout there, and that the path alongside, which shows in my pictures, was the "main" line.

Were the turnouts on the MRCRR regular ones with movable points or stub switches?

Upper (Utowanna Lake) and lower (Marion River off Raquette Lake)? - The USGS Raquette Lake Quad shows the water level of Blue Mountain and Eagle Lakes at 545.6m (1,790'), Utowanna Lake at 545.5m (1,789.7'), and Raquette Lake at 537.1m (1,762').


Larry Miller sent me (ca. Nov 2005) these two photos, one which is not familiar (unless I forget), "The Steamboat Landing at Utowanna Lake" (see the faint imprint at lower left), ca. 1878, and is by famed Adirondack photographer Seneca Ray Stoddard, and one which is, the "Marion River Turnaround" {sic} by Kellogg ca. 1900:

Steamboat Landing Utowanna Lake Marion River Turnaround
(photos courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images, click on pictures for larger images;
happily, the roof shingle moiré pattern at right is only an artifact of the thumbnail]

Larry summers at North Point, the former Carnegie Camp that was later owned by the Birrell family which donated the engine to the Museum.  They owned the Carry and recently sold it to Dean Pohl, co-owner of the Raquette Lake Navigation Company, operator of the W. W. Durant tour and dinner cruise boat, who hopes to resurrect the Carry Railroad.  Larry then came up with these two; a great, early shot of the "Marion River Terminal" (artificially lightened) and a later one of the "Marion River Hotel":

Marion River Terminal Marion River Hotel
(photos courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images, click on pictures for larger images]

What a kick; I so well remember walking apprehensively past the hotel as a kid!  Is that a Stearns-Knight out front?  The terminal photo is unusual, showing a car still on the tangent track, not around the curve at the dock, and shows the barge loading track head on; that's worth a closer look, so I blew the photo up in two parts, left (the car and barge track) and right (the dock):

Marion River Terminal - Left Marion River Terminal - Right
(cropped from photos courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images, click on pictures for larger images]

If you look at all that gear on the dock (all I can identify is a pair of hose or cable reels and a small-diameter wheelset to their right), you'll realize just how critical the Carry RR and associated boats were before Route 28 brought the motorcar and motortruck to the Fulton Chain of Lakes.

Ooh, look!  That's a horsecar, all right; there's old Dobbin in the traces!

Marion River Terminal - Dobbin
(cropped from photo courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images, click on pictures for larger images]

Thanks, Larry!


1902 Survey Map - Larry Miller also sent me an extract from Durant’s plan from when he was selling lots on Utowana and Eagle and Blue Mountain Lakes in 1902; it shows the Marion River Carry Lot, with the two docks, the engine house, the water tank, and the Carry Inn buildings quite clearly:

Marion River Carry Map
(image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image, click on picture for MUCH larger (1.2Mb) image]

Look in the upper left; the demarcation of the township boundariesy is an old "Nickle {sic} Plate in Rock. / Marked N. Y. State Land Survey. / Verplanck Colvin Sup't.", the primary survey of the Adirondack Park!  Also note that distances are given in "chs." (chains)!

I cropped the image down to a more reasonable size (426Kb), from dock to dock:

Marion River Carry Lot
(cropped from image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image, click on picture for larger (426Kb) image]

Here are some details from that map; first, the lower dock to the engine house:
Marion River Lower Dock to Eng House
(cropped from image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)

The engine house, water tank, Carry Inn, and bridge:
Marion River Eng House to Bridge
(cropped from image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)

The dam and upper dock:
Marion River Dam to Upper Dock
(cropped from image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)

Finally, although not part of the railroad but definitely part of the carry, here's the relocation and canalization of the old upper channel, something of which I was unaware (or had forgotten all about):
Marion River Carry Upper Channel
(cropped from image courtesy of L. Miller - all rights reserved)

Well, that shows the engine house on the "wrong side of the tracks" to my vague recollection and, of course, no indication of any turnouts whatsoever.  Once again, we are indebted to Larry Miller!


Bernie Perch sent me (ca. Dec 2005) a copy of an undated photo of the lower dock 'way back when Forest Park & Land Co. ran the Carry RR; it is from the collection of famed RR photographer Mallory Hope Ferrell and has a wealth of detail!  First of all, here's a thumbnailed image; I had to lighten the image to see any detail and, if you click on the picture, you will bring up the 2.1Mb full image:

Marion River Carry Lower Terminus
(photo from the collection of M. H. Ferrell courtesy of B. Perch - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image, click on picture for MUCH larger (2.1Mb) image]

There's so much to see!  The FP&L "dummy" locomotive is #1, the former Suburban Rapid Transit Co. Baldwin 0-4-2T* #4, trailing one of the horsecars:

Marion River Carry Lower Terminus FP&L #1
(cropped from photo from the collection of M. H. Ferrell courtesy of B. Perch - all rights reserved)

The car float, loaded with people, is carrying a New York Central & Harlem River flat car:

Marion River Carry Lower Terminus Float
(cropped from photo from the collection of M. H. Ferrell courtesy of B. Perch - all rights reserved)

Finally, here's the flat car, #28---, enlarged almost to pixellation:

Marion River Carry Lower Terminus NYC&HR Flat
(cropped from photo from the collection of M. H. Ferrell courtesy of B. Perch - all rights reserved)

* - at least, I think it is an 0-4-2T; Ferrell tagged it as an 0-4-4T; I'll have to check on this.  SRT had three other identical BLW locos (per M. H. Ferrell 9/94):

#3 - BLW c/n 8048, blt 7/86
#4 - BLW c/n 8049, blt 7/86 -> FP&L #1
#5 - BLW c/n 8050, blt 7/86
#6 - BLW c/n 8057, blt -/86


What more can we dredge up about the Marion River Carry Railroad?

Well, we can look at how to fit it in modules in the various popular nmodel railroading scales; see:

Marion River Carry Railroad continuation page 2



[Continued from the main Marion River Carry Railroad Page.]



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