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RAILROADING



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SCHNABEL RAILROAD CARS

(also misspelled "Schnable"* -
by me!)

and other GIANT FREIGHT CARS

(with digressions to highway uses)

[continued]

[IMAGE-INTENSIVE PAGE -
BIG LOADS - BIG PICTURES!]

NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this page
as a continuation page to my various RR and Model RR pages.

NOTE:  I regret that some of my internal links refuse to work; if they don't, please click "Back" and scroll.

This page was particularly hard hit by image loss; see PROBLEM on my Contact page.


INDEX

On the main Schnabel page:

    Scroll away, plus these specifics -

    Schnabel Diagram.

    Schnabel Car Loading Technique.

    Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars (moved to Continuation Page, 04 Dec 99).

    Schnabel References (moved to Continuation Page 1 on 14 Sep 02).

    Road/Highway Schnabels - moved to Road Loads page 16 Mar 00.

On this page:

    72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car CEBX 800.

    More about 72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car CEBX 800.
        (moved here from Schnabel Continuation Page 2 on 09 Jan 2002)

    Mammoet/ETARCO Mammoth Rail Loads.

On the Schnable Continuation Page 1:

    Krupp Schnabel Brochure

    CEBX-800 Drawing (NOT!)

    Schnabel References (moved from main schnabel page 1 on 14 Sep 02).

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 2:

    Scroll away, plus these specifics -

    More about 72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car CEBX 800.
        (moved to Schnabel Continuation Page 0 on 09 Jan 2002)

    Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars (moved from Main Page, 04 Dec 99).

    Schnabel Miscellany.

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 3:

    More Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars.
    Dave Allen's Concept Models Schnabel Kits. (moved to page 4 on 17 Jan 05)

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 4:

    Schnabel Models - continued.
    Dave Allen's Concept Models Schnabel Kits. (moved here 17 Jan 05)
    GEX 80003 - World's Largest Drop-Center Flat Car.
    Nisco Steel move in China. (moved here from Cont. Page 3 on 08 Dec 05)

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 5:

  new (06 Feb 2012)
    Schnabel Car Geometry.   new (06 Feb 2012)
    Even More Schnabel Car Models.   new(24 Aug 2012)
Mark Runyan's 800-801 Models.   new(24 Aug 2012)

On the Schnabel CEBX 800 Page:

    CEBX 800 in Houston - 28 Mar 2005.

On the Road Loads page:

    Road/Highway Schnabels - material moved from main RR Schnabel Car page,

    MOVING LOCO #833

    MOVING COKE DRUMS in ALBERTA

On Road Loads Page 2:

    MOVING THE GLENWOOD TANKS

    Road Load Models

    Mammoet/ETARCO Mammoth Road Loads, plus

    just scroll away.

On the Road Loads Page 3:

    Danly Press

    Miller Transfer

Something has to lift these giant loads; see Big Cranes.


Jump to SB,III's RAILROAD Page for a goodly set of RR links

  and to SB,III's MODEL RAILROAD Page for a goodly set of model RR links (yea, verily, forsooth!).


SCHNABEL and other
giant RAILROAD CARS

(and highway variants)

[contInued]


If this subject interests you, you must also see Tom Daspit's site, linked below!

* - Spelling of the Name:  SCHNABEL vs. SCHNABLE - "Schnabel" is the KORREKT spelling!  It is the German word for "beak", which I originally thought referred to the beak-shaped loading arms, but now know was the name of the German inventor of the design ca. 1930 or so.  I don't know where or when I started using "Schnable", but it was wrong and I don't mind admitting my error.

If I ever find my original CE and Krupp materials (referred to below) and they show "SCHNABLE" (however unlikely), I'll have to correct this back again!


72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car CEBX 800

Bob MacLeod, who lives(ed?) up Sasketchewan way, took these pictures of CEBX 800 "in Pilot Butte, about 7 miles east of Regina, where the {Co-Op} upgrader was built.  I was shooting about as fast as I could compose the pictures with a Pentax SpF 35 mm camera.  They were running at a fair speed for the first load through.  I guess they had built up some confidence in the trip.  They arrived and then they were gone real quick.  I missed the following units as there wasn't as much hoopla as for the first.":

CEBX800/1 CEBX800/2

CEBX800/3 CEBX800/4
(All photos R. MacLeod - all rights reserved.)

That's CP Rail trail loco 3134 flying the Co-Op and Sasketchewan provincial flags, followed by endless cars of parts and accessories (and a flatcar with spare trucks and even the towbar for running the halves light):   rev (09 Mar 2011)

CEBX800/5 CEBX800/6

CEBX800/7 CEBX800/8

Then a caboose used as a crew car appears and CEBX 800 finally comes into view:

CEBX800/9 CEBX800/10

CEBX800/11 CEBX800/12

Endless wheels later, a giant upgrader cylinder comes along; note it is on a pair of tension members, thus it is (in this configuration) only a semi-Schnable; the load is only partly a part of the car absorbing some of the buff but none of the draw.  More endless wheels and another couple of cabin cars:

CEBX800/13 CEBX800/14

CEBX800/15 CEBX800/16
(All photos R. MacLeod - all rights reserved.)

Off we go into the vile blue yonder.  Thanks, Bob!

[My thanks to Tom Daspit, who backed up these images better than I did and thus allowed me to restore them!]


More about 72-Wheel CEBX 800

    (moved here from Schnabel Page 2 on 09 Jan 2002)

Here are Jim Banner's photos of the ABB 72-wheel CEBX 800 toting a 35.080m (111' 93/4") reactor vessel on 05 Jan 1991 in Saskatoon, Sasketchewan (Canada).  Sure looks like the TransAlta car to me!

Part of the confusion on this car is because I had it mislabelled as a 36-wheel car instead of a 36-axle car, with 72 wheels!  There is only one such car in the world; Krupp/Combustion Engineering/ABB CEBX 800 .

The first shot is a composite panorama made up of six (6) or seven (7) photos assembled and running a whopping 558,631Kb!  So don't be in any hurry to click on the thumbnail; I have split it into three sections for your convenience, the A2 (left on the picture) car (81,033Kb), the load (211,217Kb), and the A1 (right) car (117,335).  Next is Jim's view of the right car (143,865Kb), then a closeup of the left load arm (142,924Kb), the load inching through a through-truss bridge (160,935Kb), and finally a closeup of the center of the load:

[I'm having trouble with some of these image links;
please bear with me while I sort them out.]

CEBX 800 1 Saskatoon 05Jan91

CEBX 800 1a Saskatoon 05Jan91 A2 Car CEBX 800 1b Saskatoon 05Jan91 Load CEBX 800 1c Saskatoon 05Jan91 A1 Car

CEBX 800 2 Saskatoon 05Jan91 A1 Car   CEBX 800 3 Saskatoon 05Jan91 A2 Load Arm

CEBX 800 4 Saskatoon 05Jan91 Clearing Truss Bridge   CEBX 800 5 Saskatoon 05Jan91 Load
(1991 photos courtesy of Jim Banner - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.]

Then here's a detail of the A1 (right) load arm showing the ABB and Krupp logos:
CEBX 800 2a Saskatoon 05Jan91 A1 Load Arm
The ABB logos replace the original CE (Combustion Engineering - hence, CEBX) logos.

The third and last shots were taken to document the A2 (left) load arm and load stencilling, so I have provided blowups here for your convenience:

CEBX 800 3a Saskatoon 05Jan91 A2 Load Arm Stencilling   CEBX 800 5a Saskatoon 05Jan91 Load Stencilling

The A2 (left) load arm reads:

(in a circle):
EXCEEDS
PLATE
F

  CEBX 800  
* CAPY    1779260 LS
* LD LMT  1779260
 LT WT    740890 NEW 9-80 {*}

while the load reads (below the tarp):


GROSS WEIGHT : 634,200 kg {or 834?#}
 MEASUREMENT : L x W x H (MM) {sic*}
                  34M.080 x 4M.920 x 5M.200.
        MADE IN JAPAN
THE JAPAN STEEL      WORKS. LTD.

The very top of the first line is hidden under the tarp and the decimal points (periods) are under the "M"s in the third line.

Strange sort of train, with a caboose/cabin car/hack at each end, but the left one is a rider car and the engine is to it's left, beyond an old heavyweight passenger car.

Bill says it was 40 below (°C or °F?)
[Ha, ha! - it's the one place on the thermometer where they are exactly equal!]
and that the conductor later told him they had the engine fitted with special electronic controls which could inch it along at as little as 1/10 mile per hour.

Note that this car has load members between the ends, under the load, so it is technically a through-well flat car in this configuration; so who's quibbling?

Incidentally, the ratings above mean that the car is rated to carry a 1,779,260 pound (889.63 ton) load with a light weight of 790,890 pounds (395.445 tons - huh?).  Krupp/CE's original 1980 nominal rating was for a 800-ton load plus 40 tons per light ½-car, or 880 tons fully loaded(!), i.e.: 1,600,000 pounds load, 160,000 pounds light, and 1,760,000 pounds loaded.

The load measures 34.080m x 4.920m x 5.200m = 109' 41/8" long x 15' 9½" wide x 16' 8¼" high.

* - So, what's the LT WT mean?  Decimal point error?  Ditto the Japanese dimension unit - MM - hardly millimeters; try CM - centimeters!

# - The load at (either) 634,200Kg (or 834,200Kg) = 1,395,240 pounds/697.62 tons (or 1,835,240 pounds/917.62 tons - I vote for the former).

Lest you list me looney, the A1 and A2 designations are from Krupp/CE:

CEBX 800 a1 Saskatoon 05Jan91 A1 End   CEBX 800 a2 Saskatoon 05Jan91 A2 End

[The flags are the Canadian flag/le drapeau Canadien, an American one, blue Husky Oil flags (with a stylized Husky dog - Husky is the Canadian oil company which runs the upgrader at Lloydminister Saskatchewan where the reactor vessel was being shipped), the green and yellow flag of Saskatchewan (the wheat sheaves represent agriculture, their major industry, the yellow symbolizes ripening wheat fields in the fall, and the green represents "bring money" - their taxes are high and it is expensive to keep warm up there when it is 45° below; the animal is either a stylized lion, or possibly a gopher that stayed on the highway too long, the flower is supposed to be a Tiger Lily, the official flower of Saskatchewan, but somehow the leaves ended up looking more like marijuana!)]
{If you detect a wee bit or irony there, it's from Saskatoon, not New York!}

Hey, schnabel fan(atic)s, you'd better enjoy this coverage;
it's using up a staggering amount of server memory!

Martin Bolhuis, who worked at the plant that the Saskatoon reactor vessel was made for gave me "a little on what it was" {edited slightly}.  "There were two identical reactors moved one at a time from Thunder Bay at Lake Superior to Lloydminster, Saskatoon.  They were moved in the winter to ensure that the ground was frozen.  They were 'H-Oil' reactors that are the guts of a hydrocracker and were made in Muroran, Japan, by Japan Steel Works (JSW).  The size of the load was such that they crossed the pacific, traversed the Panama Canal, and came up the St. Lawrence Seaway to the Lakehead for rail shipment.  The ship that carried them was owned by JSW and was called the "Starman Asia".  It has some really large side boom cranes mounted onboard and lists heavily when loading.  Each of these reactors was hoisted into place with something called a transilift.  Husky Oil who owns these reactors claims that this was the heaviest single load rail move ever made in North America.  I know that they have a promotional video called 'From Muroran to Lloydminster' that documents the entire move from Japan to Lloydminster." {emphases mine}.

BIG CEBX 800 NEWS! - Tom Daspit was in the Chicago area, went up to Duluth on a Friday afternoon (05 May 00), and found CEBX 800 parked on two sidings (it was unloaded and split) about 50' from Lake Superior; these are what he calls "teasers"{!}:

CEBX 800 1 in Duluth 05May00? CEBX 800 2 in Duluth 05May00? CEBX 800 3 in Duluth 05May00?
(05-06 May 2000 photos courtesy of Tom Daspit - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on the pictures for larger images.]

Will ya look at all those wheels!

Some guys have all the luck!  I was up there in Aug 99 and didn't see it (sour grapes).  Thanks, Tom!

Tom now (Aug 00) has the rest of these photos (he took a lot - three rolls worth - surprise!) up on his site.

Next, along came Bill Tokaruk of Regina, Sasketchewan, with a completely different series of pictures of CEBX 800 from the Co-op Upgrader site in Regina in Jan 1986 and from the Bi-Provincial Upgrader site in Lloydminster in Jan 1991:

[These images were lost and Bill kindly dug them up and resent them 25 Jan 04]

The schnabel arriving at Regina, Sask., in Jan 1986, via CP Rail:

CEBX 800 Regina 1/86 {3}
(Jan 86 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

CEBX 800 being moved to the unloading area of the Co-op Upgrader site in Regina, Jan 1986.

CEBX 800 Regina 1/86 {4}
(Jan 86 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

The operators cab (one located on each half of the schnabel car), outside Regina, Jan 1986:

CEBX 800 Regina 1/86 {5}
(Jan 86 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

CEBX 800 being spotted under the gantry crane at Lloydminster, Jan 1991:

CEBX 800 Lloyd. 1/91 {1}
(Jan 91 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

The reactor parked under the specially-constructed crane at the Bi-Provincial Upgrader in Lloydminster, Jan. 1991:

CEBX 800 Lloyd. 1/91 {6}
(Jan 91 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

Half the schnabel car after the reactor was unloaded at Lloydminster, Jan 1991 (count them - nine trucks - 36 wheels!):

CEBX 800 Lloyd. 1/91 {2}
(Jan 91 photo courtesy of Wm. Tokaruk - all rights reserved)

Please note that in these two operations, the car uses load beams as tension members under the loads, so it is not strictly a schnable in this sense, only sort of half a schnable and half a depressed-center flat car.


Should you have a hankering for an elegant model of CEBX/WECX 800 or WECX 801, see Mark Runyan's simpy-stunning Schnabel car in resin and etched brass [featured information moved to Even More Schnabel Car Models on page 5 on 24 Aug 2012]; here's a teaser:.   rev (24 Aug 2012)

CEBX800inN
(photo courtesy of M. Runyan - all rights reserved)
PLEASE NOTE:

Effective mid-2012, Westinghouse has renumbered Krupp-built
CEBX 800 to WECX 800 and twinned it with Kasgro-built WECX 801,
which latter now takes the title of the largest RR car in the world.
[Most references to CEBX 800 herein have NOT been changed.]


On the main Schnabel page under References, I refer you to Viktor Schiffer's site; here are two views of the Uaai-class DB #778 2x4-axle heavy depressed-center flat car in Offingen on 06 Aug 97:   RE-rev.gif (2x4-axle, not 2x6 - 11 Nov 02)

Uaai DB 778

Uaai DB 778

and an unladen 2x(4+5)-axle Preußenelektra Schnabel at Paderborn on 09 Apr 88:

Preußen
(Photos courtesy of V. Schiffer - all rights reserved)

Tom Daspit has two series of fabulous photos of a 24-axle version of the Uaai #778 car (#678.0 and #838 - ???) on his site at #687.0 and #838.

Both sets are from Michael Baier's (MiBa) fantastic German-language site.

    (I always wondered what MiBa meant!)

Uh, oh!  The above meaning of "MiBa" is correct as used here, but it is also the name of a German model RR magazine, Miniaturmodellbahnen!

Also, Kibri came out with an HO model of Uaai #687.9 [their #16502, a 20-axle {2x(5+5)} unit], and a road version:

Kibri
(Photo courtesy of T. Daspit)
[Thumbnail image; click on the picture for a larger image.]

Tom Daspit was watching TV 03 Jan 03 when he thought he saw a Schnabel car; it was "Enemy at the Gate" and there IS a Schnabel car plain as day about 15 minutes before the end, just before Ed Harris gets killed.  Tom thinks it may be the Preußenelektra car.


Mammoet
(Dutch for Mammoth)

Mammoet/ETARCO/van Seumeren

On May 23, 2000, van Seumeren Holland B.V. announced the purchase of the Mammoet group of companies from Royal Nedlloyd N.V.; van Seumeren claims to be the world leader in international heavy lifting and crane servicesMammoet is claimed as a leader in international heavy ground transport and heavy-lift shippingVan Seumeren claims to be the major shareholder of ETARCO (formerly Engineering and Transportation and Rigging Company Limited), which is a North American (Canada) based company specializing in multi-modal transportation and rigging services.  The new company will go forward under the name and logo of MAMMOET.  All of this bodes well for those of us who like such activities and models of such equipment.

Here, from the ETARCO site are a group of images of Schnabel and related rail cars, starting with an 86.5 ton 18' diameter dryer shell moving on a depressed center railcar with double-end overhang and a 174 ton generator on a 12-axle railcar at Halifax ready for shipment to Fort McMurray, Alberta:

86½T 174T

Here are a 340 ton capacity 12-axle depressed center railcar with a 205 ton turbine and a Schnabel carrier on 2x12 axle railcars moving a 350 ton transformer from Illinois to Guelph, Ontario:

205T 350T

Lastly, here is a 386 ton capacity 18-axle Schnabel car with what sure looks like that 174-ton generator:

386T
(All photos from ETARCO site - all rights reserved
some have been enhanced or cropped.)

The following drawing is of the 36-wheel (18-axle) Etarco car ETMX 1001; the drawing is too big to show in a thumbnail, so I cropped out a representative section for the thumbnail.  Click on the picture for a larger, full image with an elevation, cross-section, and loading diagram:

ETMX 1001 Plan

Not quite a full drawing for modeling puposes but it's sure better than nothing!


Many of these loads are also seen on road vehicles at Mammoet/ETARCO mammoth road loads.


I ran across the term "MAFI" in relation to container freight and checked it out; guess how heavy loads get from the erecting floor to trailers or railcars?  MAFI Transport-Systeme GmbH of Tauberbischofshein, Germany (just north of Stuttgart), where they have an English version; take a look!


Here's another GREAT link; the site of J. Supor & Son Trucking & Rigging Co., Inc., headquartered in Harrison, New Jersey.  Road and rail and heavy, HEAVY, HEAVY!  You just have to go there and navigate the site for dozens of fabulous pix!


Look also at the main and succeding Schnabel pages.


You may wish to visit the Railroad Continuation Page, et seq.

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