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[Page created 31 May 2001; converted 22 Nov 2010;

{some missing images restored 24 Feb 03, 01 Mar 04}
(Missing image links deleted - 30 Jul 07)
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S. Berliner, III's


Long Island Motor Parkway
Queens Continuation Page 1

{and these are only thumbnails, at that!
Many images lost - see PLEASE NOTE.}


a.k.a. Vanderbilt Motor Parkway

(and related matters)

[in Queens County]

Motor Parkway Panel Logo

To save space on this page, I refer you to the LIMP Index Page.


note-rt.gif  The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the main LIMP page.

On the main LIMP page:

        now continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, and

On Continuation Page 0:

    LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).

On Continuation Page 1A:

    LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:

    More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
    Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
    I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
    Roslyn Road Fragment.
    Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
    Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
    Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On Continuation Page 3:

    Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:

    Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
    Garden City Toll Lodge.
    Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
    More on Duryea Road Crossing.

    On Continuation Page 5:

       and now continued on the LIMP Apocrypha Page.

On Continuation Page 6:

        (moved from Page 5 - 28 Mar 00).
    Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
    Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:

    ROUTE 110 SAND PITS AREA Update.

On Continuation Page 8:

    North Hills.
    Mineola-Carle Place.

On Continuation Page 9:

    LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence         of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway, continued,
        with Great Neck Toll Lodge.

On Continuation Page 10:

    Additional WILLISTON-NEW HYDE PARK ROAD Documentation.
    Bronx River Parkway.

On Continuation Page 11:

    1941 Queens Aerial Photos.

On the Queens Page:

    Western Terminus
        (193rd-199th St./Peck Av./Underhill Blvd./Horace Harding Blvd./LIE).

On this Queens Continuation Page 1:

    Western Terminus Details.
    Alley Pond and Environs

On the Queens Continuation Page 2:

    Fresh Meadows Ballfields and Theater

On the Queens Continuation Page 3:

    Western Terminus - continued
        (193rd-199th St./Peck Av./Underhill Blvd./Horace Harding Blvd./LIE).

On the Suffolk Page:

    Eastern Terminus (Lake Ronkonkoma).

This is yet another new (28 Apr 01) page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.

A Motor Parkway Panel has been convened to keep the LIMP alive in minds and museums.

There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

RoW = Right-of-Way.


Queens County

Western Terminus Details

As indicated on the Western Terminus section on the preceding main Queens page, there was a kiosk in the entry from Nassau (Horace Harding) Boulevard at 195th Street (although the apron parallel to HHB apparently ran on westerly to 193rd Street).  Panelist Mitch Kaften seems to have uncovered two photos of the opening of the Queens bicycle path in 1938 that show the kiosk with what appears to be HHB in the background; unfortunately, the right to reproduce the photos is not mine, so I have traced the outline of the kiosk as seen from the rear (looking from the LIMP RoW WNW at the door):

West Term Kiosk dwg
[Rough outline 10 May 2002 by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved. ]
{Image restored 01 Mar 04}   rev.gif (01 Mar 04)

The kiosk is about 9' tall to the peak of the roof (the base of the finial).  As was told to me at Great Neck South Schools, the Great Neck Toll Lodge, now incorporated into the mini-mansion immediately SW of the school property and between the LIMP RoW and the entry ramp from Lakeville Road (now the mansion's driveway), was where the second tolls were collected and the toll agent's wife would walk to each day to Rocky Hill Road (Springfield Boulevard) to "man" the Hillside Avenue toll booth there, probably from 1911 on.  I have't a clue, so far, from whence the attendant materialized to staff the kiosk at 195th Street, IF anyone did.  But, if not, why was it there?  Oh, gosh!  Could it have been built in 1938 by Queens Parks for the bike path?

[Now, let us earnestly hope I can show you the photos; there's even a man on a boneshaker (high-wheeked bicycle), a grandpa and grand-daughter (who'd be about 76 now) on a side-by-side tandem adult trike (I had a huge Silver King single trike then), and a terrorist's (anarchist's?) satchel bomb in the roadway!]

Driving around the area on 15 May 02, I realized I had a misconception of the RoW SSE along Peck Avenue and S along 199th Street to 73rd Avenue and on S to just shy of Union Turnpike, where the LIMP swung sharply E over Cross Island (FrancisLewis) Boulevard.  Going back past there on 16 May 02 to check out details of the Central RR of LI RoW in Flushing, I came back SE along Peck Avenue to the LIE, ducked around on 188th Street down S to Union Turnpike and so to 199th Street and N a ¼-block to the jump-over.  The bike path bridge is "new" but the grade up to it is the one on the old aerial photos; looking NE, the grade is visible under the left branches of the giant tree and the Parks bridge abutment is to the right (E); crossing 199th and shooting SE from a ½-block further N, the grade is more evident::

LIMP at 199/FLB 1
(16 May 02 photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

LIMP at 199/FLB 2

Next, standing on the RoW looking up at the grade, with 199th Street at the right (W) and FLB visible under the bridge at left (E) and, turning 180°, looking away from it and N up the grade to the 73rd Avenue bridge (this last is a telephoto shot; you can just make out 199th at the left):

LIMP at 199/FLB 3

LIMP at 199/FLB 4

Note the jog where, for some reason, Parks put the bike path off the LIMP RoW and W along the 199th Street curb.  Driving up to 73rd Avenue, hanging a left (W) and (suicidally) waiting for a gap in traffic, here is the bridge looking E over 199th, with the FLB traffic lights visible under the bridge, and then ditto looking W over FLB, with the 199th red traffic light visible under the right (N) sidewalk arch, plus the 1926 date cast in stone (well - in reinforced concrete) high in the S abutment:

LIMP at FLB/73 5

LIMP at 199/73 6

LIMP at 73/1926 7

Driving N to where 199th becomes Peck (about a block S of the bend in Peck, I took this picture of the RoW looking S toward 73rd and turning 180° and walking up beyond the bend, another looking NNW toward the public school complex E of Peck at Horace Harding Boulevard (LIE):

LIMP at Peck 8

LIMP at Peck 9

Then, walking to the bend, itself (visible to the left/W), a view NNW to the school and another jog in the bike path and a view from the jog NW along Peck to the school and HHB/LIE (which can be made out in the distance):

LIMP at Peck 0

LIMP at Peck a

Following the bike path around the bend along the W side of the school would bring us to that misleading path to HHB/LIE and the footbridge over them covered on the main Queens page.  Retracing my steps to the car, here are the road signs on the W side of the road at 67th Avenue; note that it is Peck Avenue on the N side of the intersection and 199th Street on the S side:

LIMP at 67&199 c LIMP at 67&Peck b
(16 May 02 photos by and © 2002 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)

[Note the brickface on the house on the SW corner in both closeups.]

Fresh Meadows Ballfields
and Theater near the
Western Terminus

of the


in the vicinity of

193rd Street area, Peck Avenue and Underhill Boulevard, and
Horace Harding Boulevard (and today's Long island Expressway).

(moved to Queens Continuation Page 2 17 Aug 01)

On the way east from Cunningham Park to Alley Pond Park, the LIMP RoW crossed {recrossed?} the Central RR of LI RoW (the old "Stewart Line", later the LIRR's Creedmoor Branch) at {I believe} today's intersection of Stewart Road/Bell Boulevard between 77th and Kingsbury Avenues.  Indefatigable Panelist Mitch Kaften turned up these Queens County views (#717-C dated 10-31-28) titled "Stewart {sic} R.R. right-of way S. from L.I. Motor Parkway", and (#717-G dated 10-31-28) titled "Stewart {sic} R.R. right-of way N. from Hollis Court Blvd. (Queens Rd.)":

Stewart RR S of MP Stewart RR N of HCB

[Thumbnail images - click on pictures for much larger images.
Photos courtesy of Queens County Topographical Bureau]
{Restored 30 Jul 07}

I believe the S view was at today's intersection of Stewart Road/Bell Boulevard between 77th and Kingsbury Avenues.  One might logically assume that the photographer merely turned around 180° for the N view but it's not so.

Mitch then turned up an old Hyde map showing precisely where the CRR crossing of HCB is located:

Creedmoor Parkway
[Thumbnail image - click on pictures for much higher res. image.
Photo courtesy of M. Kaften]

Alley Pond Park
and its Environs

Other than up in the Environmental Center and that area between Little Neck Bay and the LIE, I had never been to Alley Pond Park and so on 07 Jun 01, after rectifying my omission of the abutment at New Hyde Park Road and Northern State Parkway, I drove down to Union Turnpike and followed it to the N/B entry ramp for the Grand Central Parkway W of Springfield Boulevard and just E of Francis Lewis Boulevard; guard rails show where there is an underpass and, pulling off, sure enough, there it was, under me, the LIMP!  Here are my first views, looking down and W from the W side of the ramp and then crossing over to the E side and looking down and E:

LIMP under GCP 1&2
(All photos taken 06 May 01 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

I then drove E to the Winchester Boulevard exit, made a U-turn under the GCP into the (unmarked) Alley Pond Park entry ramp (which is also a GCP W/B ramp) and parked in the southernmost part of the lot, smack up against the ramp, figuring to walk W/B along the ramp - HA!

Let me tell you right here and now - the S end of Alley Pond Park is one of the most beautiful places on Earth!!!

I ended up slogging along the S end of the little pond just N of GCP and there, in the distance (first photo) across the pond was unmistakeable evidence I'd homed in correctly!  After completing the slog without getting wet, I took this shot looking W at the underpass under the LIMP:

LIMP N of GCP 3&4 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Walking under the bridge, which may well have been built long after the LIMP for park access purposes, I turned for this shot of the bridge looking down and ENE and then walked E along the RoW to the center of the bridge to take a picture showing the modern curbing and the W/B ramp from Cross Island Parkway S/B (and APP) onto the W/B GCP:

LIMP Br in APPk 5&6 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Leaving the bridge heading ESE, here's the W/B GCP itself, up close, and then, standing under it, the E/B GCP:

LIMP under GCP W/{E/}B in APPk 7&8 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Standing under the E/B GCP, you can see the W/B ramp from UT from which I took the first two photos, and then, continuing along E/B, the curve downhill and to the left takes you to Winchester Boulevard, which I covered elsewhere:

LIMP under GCP W/B ramp from UT APPPk 9 // LIMP W of GCP in APPk 10 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Turning back and retracing my steps, here's the UT-to-GCP E/B entry ramp looking WNW from the LIMP RoW.  At this point, at the RoW and the SW intersection of a short 3-block remnant of Cloverdale Boulevard at 77th Avenue, about a ¼ mile W, I ran out of battery power for my digital SLR and realized I'd left my spares in the car, so, to avoid the slog around the pond, I walked N on CB to 75th Avenue, re-entered the park, and went back to the lot, swapped batteries, drove back to Winch B., S to UT, W to Springfield Boulevard (the original W terminus as Rocky Hill Road), N to 77th Avenue, and E to that short 3-block remnant of Cloverdale Boulevard.  There I took this shot of the dead end on CB, with the "Entering Alley Pond Park" sign in the distance across the RoW:

LIMP GCP W/B ramp from UT APPPk 11 //  // LIMP at W end of APPk 12 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

The sign, up close (the other side says "Leaving Alley Pond Park", of course) and then, finally, the slight WNW bend leading to Springfield Boulevard:

APPPk sign 13 // LIMP from W end of APPk 14 (All photos taken 06 May 01 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Driving back along 77th Avenue, I took this photo of the N side of the 1924 Springfield Boulevard LIMP bridge and then this shot of the cast-in date underneath on the E abutment:

LIMP SB Br 1&2 (Both photos taken 06 May 01 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Left photo is thumbnail image; click on picture for large image.]

Western Terminus coverage is now continued on Queens Continuation Page 3.
        (193rd-199th St./Peck Av./Underhill Blvd./Horace Harding Blvd./LIE).
- - - * - - -

Heading back E on UT, I decided to finish my aborted Winchester Boulevard coverage; first I shot the E end of the Queens LIMP-cum-bike path and then climbed up the embankment to picture criminal neglect of a national treasure:

LIMP at Winch 1&2 (All photos taken 06 May 01 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Walking W a short distance along the N side of the RoW, here are those posts I pictured from up top last time and then the N side of the entry ramp for the LIMP from Winchester with a number of posts, mostly standing:

LIMP at Winch 3&4 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

"And as our post sinks slowly in the West" and the curve at the W end of the ramp with more posts:

LIMP at Winch 5&6 [Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Finally, going back to the car, I shot E across Winchester to the remanent berm (which may just as well be merely the S end of the Creedmoor parking lot; there doesn't seem to be any trace of the RoW from Winchester to CIP):

LIMP at Winch 7

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