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S. Berliner, III
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Technical and Historical Writer, Oral Historian
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Rail, Auto, Air, Ordnance, and Model Enthusiast
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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

[Please note that these pages could also have been accessed as URL http://berliner-ultrasonics.home.att.net/lim*.html,
"vanity" URL (q.v.) that did not require the tilde (~), as was true of ALL of my old pages.}

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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the host's main LIMP page, which now includes a Geographical Index and LIMP Links. On the main LIMP page:
        continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, et seq..

On this Continuation Page 0:
    LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).
        moved to the LIMP Index Page 11 Nov 2000}.
        moved to LIMP Bibliography Page 26 Oct 2004)
    LIMP NEWS (and Current Events) (moved to LIMP page A 05 Sep 2002) - [NOT kept current!]

On Continuation Page 1A:
    LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:
    More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
    Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
    I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
    Roslyn Road Fragment.
    Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
    Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
    Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On Continuation Page 3:
    Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:
    Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
    Garden City Toll Lodge.
    Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
    More on Duryea Road Crossing.

On Continuation Page 5:

On Continuation Page 6:
    Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
    Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:
    ROUTE 110 SAND PITS AREA Update.

On Continuation Page 8:
    North Hills.
    Mineola - Carle Place.

Continuation Page 9:
    LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of
        Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway, continued
        (with Great Neck Toll Lodge).
    Road Names - Old and New (and Bogus).

Continuation Page 10:
    Additional WILLISTON-NEW HYDE PARK ROAD Documentation.
    Bronx River Parkway.

On Continuation Page 11:
    1941 Queens Aerial Photos.

On the Queens Page:
    Western Terminus
        (195th-199th St./Peck Av./Underhill Blvd./Horace Harding Blvd./LIE).

On Queens Continuation Page 1:
    Fresh Meadows Ballfields and Theater.

On the Suffolk Page:
    Eastern Terminus (Lake Ronkonkoma).

The LIMP Tour Page.

RoW = Right-of-Way.

A Motor Parkway Panel has been convened to keep the LIMP alive in minds and museums.

Events of interest for Panelists and Associates were posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page; those of interest to LIMP afficionados in general were posted below.

There is a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.


LIMP posts are extant examples of Willie K's delight in reinforced concrete@; they grow wild along the banks of the LIMPopo River in Mozambique - and if you believe that, I have gold bricks and a bridge for sale.  Actually, there are at least three (3) basic types of posts along the RoW, many of which survive to this day intact and as strong now, 90+ years later, as the day they were poured (stronger, really, since concrete strengthens as it ages).  Some of the detailed information was provided by Bob Miller:

[The very earliest posts were actually locust* wood but they only survived along the S side of Bethpage-Sweethollow(Spagnoli) Road, between Round Swamp Road and the Nassau-Suffolk border (N/E end of Battle Row Campground), q.v.]   rev (07 May 2017)

  * - WRONG! - the early posts were made of cedar (virtually indestuctible - follow links).

The rectangular posts with two or three (or, rarely, four) small 1" holes held spiral or twist wire as guard rails if the holes were parallel to the RoW.

LIMP fence post   LIMP twisted wire
(Raymond Court photos by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail images; click on pictures for large images.]

Here is a closeup view of a segment of twist wire (from Roslyn Road):

LIMP twist wire
(photo 25 Mar 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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On 17 May 2000, being in Garden City anyway and wanting pictures of the General Manager's house, I found an unexpected bonus; opposite the house, on the south side of Vanderbilt Court, are a few remanent posts and several had twist wire still threaded through in the original position (but only in the two lower holes):

Vand Ct posts w/ twist wire
(photo 17 May 00 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Rectangular posts with small holes held bolts, which in turn held 2" x 6" planks as guard rails, if the holes were perpendicular to the RoW.

Those rectangular posts with the long, rectangular holes held two 2" x 6" planks as rails.

LIMP Clinton ES post NS ~110 yds E view ENE   LIMP Clinton ES RoW rails ~120 yds E view SW
(Clinton Street photos taken 24 Sep 99 by and © 1999 S. Berliner, III - All Rights Reserved)
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Although I have lifted and moved one three-hole post by myself (one end at a time, when salvaging it from the Half Hollow Hills area road widening), Bob Miller says the full-length posts are about 6' long and weigh some 250 pounds!

The triangular posts were normally located at the 50' mark from the centerline on both sides of the RoW to mark the property line and have little bits of wire sticking out; they probably held fine wire lines to help delineate the boundary.  They are perhaps best seen today immediately east of Hollis Court Boulevard just north of Union Turnpike by the Clearview Expressway (see below).

In some spots where the RoW was constricted, the boundary posts were set at the 25' mark.

In Alley Pond Park on 16 Apr 2000, I found original posts (the kind with the hole facing the RoW on both sides), mostly painted a bilious version of NYC Parks green.  Here are two from the north side, one showing an original bolt still in place and the other showing the nut and washer on the back side (first ones I've ever seen).  More about that area on page 6 at Queens Vignettes.

Post/Bolt Alley Pd Pk/Post/Nut/Washer Alley Pd Pk
(Photos 16 Apr 2000 by and © S. Berliner, III 2000 - all rights reserved)

Triangular boundary posts are best exemplified by this survivor tucked in between Hollis Court Boulevard and the Clearview Expressway, in south-central Cunningham Park, just north of Union Turnpike in deep brush on the north side of the Parkway (boundary posts point towards the RoW) -

Looking S at the beautifully-restored bridge carrying the LIMP over Hollis Court Boulevard (Union Turnpike in the distance, looking NE at the boundary post with stubs of two wires, a closer look, and a detail shot of the lower wire:

Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk

Looking SE at the back of the post, looking S with a tape measure locked at 2' hanging at the right, and looking SW up the embankmant over "our" boundary post at several guardrail posts on the north edge of the Parkway (note the tilted post at the far right):

Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary Post Cunningham Pk  Boundary/Guardrail Posts Cunningham Pk

Looking NNE back down at "our" boundary post past the intact, vertical, middle guardrail post (with red leaves at the top), looking NE from the tilted post down to "our" boundary post, and looking ENE along the N edge of the Parkway with the red leaves on the middle post, Hollis Court Boulevard in the distance, and the bridge just off to the right:

Guardrail/Boundary Posts Cunningham Pk  Guardrail/Boundary Posts Cunningham Pk  Guardrail Posts Cunningham Pk
(Cunningham Park photos 28 Apr 2000 by and © S. Berliner, III 2000 - all rights reserved)
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More than you ever wanted to know about a bunch of old concrete posts!

Problem - certain Panelists disagree, stating that the two different posts with round holes (not the guardrail type) were used interchangeably and directed me to where in Queens I could see such; I have not yet seen any such thing, but reserve the right to eat crow!

[Coverage of LIMP posts and related matters continues on a separate page, LIMP Posts.]   added (01 Sep 2013)


[Thanks to Motor Parkway Panelist Fred Hadley for the basic timeline through 1986.]

1878 - William Kissam Vanderbilt, Jr., born.

1883 - Brooklyn Bridge opens to traffic.

1885 - First internal combustion automobile built by Carl Benz.

1888 - Ten year old Willie K rides in steam-powered tricycle from Beaulieu to Monte Carlo, France.

1899 - Willie K marries Comstock Lode daughter Virginia Fair.

1900 - Willie K purchases first automobile, an English Morse Roadster. His  father brings the first motorcar to Long Island.  Willie K arrested in Newport for speeding and in Boston for "scorching" through local parks.

1902 - New York American newspaper, in an editorial, charges Vanderbilt and his "Red Devil’ Mercedes are responsible for a pending law in Albany to limit speeds on the state’s roads.

1904 - Willie K sets speed record of 90mph at Ormond Beach Florida.

    First International Vanderbilt Cup Race on Nassau and Queens Roads won by French car averaging 52mph.

1905 - Second Cup Race won by French.

1906 - Third Cup Race won by French.  Two spectators killed.  Vanderbilt holds organizational meeting to plan for automobile highway.  Word "highway" dropped for "parkway".

1907 - No Cup Race.  Willie K’s General Manager holds meetings on Long Island to talk up Parkway and solicit land pledges.

1908 - New Yorkers register 22,000 cars worth $44 million statewide.  Groundbreaking ceremony for the Long Island Motor Parkway takes place at Central ( Bethpage ) Park on June 6.  Just 4 months later 10 miles of parkway are ready in time for Fall Cup Race, won, finally by an American averaging 64mph.  Inaugural toll of $2 is charged.

1909 - Construction continues.  Fifth Cup Race held {won by an Alco, the first American car to win}.

1910 - Construction completed to Lakeville Road.  Sixth Cup Race spectator fatalities spur New York State to outlaw highway racing {won by the same Alco}.

1911 - Willie K extends Parkway to Rocky Hill Road (Springfield Boulevard).

1912 - Still running in the red, Parkway lowers toll to $1.50 in an attempt to attract more users.

1917 - Toll lowered to $1.00 as gas-starved motorists curtail auto use during World War I.

1919 - Police-free Long Island Motor Parkway becomes "Rumrunners Road" as bootleggers safely ship booze to Island’s speakeasies during Prohibition.

1924-26 - Parkway extended to 199th Street and Horace Harding Boulevard.

1929 - Vanderbilt’s offer to sell the Parkway to the state is rejected by Robert Moses who wants to buy only a small piece near North Shore Towers for his Northern Parkway interchange.

1933 - Robert Moses opens GCP/NSP from Parsons Blvd to Willis Ave.  Vanderbilt drops toll to $0.40.

1938 - Easter Sunday {16 Apr}:  Long Island Motor Parkway closes down.  Vanderbilt gives right of way to Queens, Nassau and Suffolk Counties in lieu of back taxes.  Plan to use Queens portion for ‘39 World’s Fair access road dies.  On July 10, several hundred cyclists, including show girls and trick riders, attend opening of Queens Bicycle Path.  Northern State and Wantagh Parkway Extensions open.

1940 - New York City Park’s Department builds overpasses at newly created Bell and Francis Lewis Boulevards.

1942 - Long Island Lighting Company buys a 7,000 foot strip of Parkway from Nassau County for use as a right of way for a transmission line furnishing power to the new Sperry Factory.

1944 - Death of William Kissam Vanderbilt, Jr., on 28 January.

1958 - Le Petit Trianon, the Inn designed by John Russell Pope after its Versaille namesake, burns to the ground.  The Trianon opened in 1910 at Lake Ronkonkoma, the Parkway’s eastern terminus, and was operated until 1948.

1986 - Parks Department crews rehabilitate Parkway from Winchester Blvd. to Cunningham Park.

Further progress (added 15 Dec 2012):

2006 - Bethpage State Park crews cleared the RoW north of the Botto fence.

2011 - 16 Feb meeting of the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society - Motor Parkway Panel disbanded; all activities assumed by the LIMP Preservation Society.

2011-2012 - 11 Oct 2011 through 30 Jun 2012 - Model A Club of LI and LIMP Preservation Society clear, and parade over, Clody Farmway Bridge in Old Bethpage Village Restoration.

Later additions in braces { } until 2006.


(Moved from main LIMP page 09 Mar 2000 and then to LIMP Index Page 11 Nov 2000)

Howard Kroplick's Long Island Motor Parkway blog - successor to this (SB,III's) site.

Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society
    (successor to the FORMER Motor Parkway Panel).

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY TODAY (moved to Page 1A on 17 Feb 2000)

LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BRIDGES (moved to Page 1A on 17 Feb 2000)


{Moved to Page 4 07 Oct 1999)

A pair of LIMP afficionados, Sue and Rob Friedman, turned up with a great site about the Bronx's old "Freedomland".

I hope to have more photos and better maps and a walkabout guide, as well.  There is no map (yet) on Mike Natale's fascinating "The Toll Road Map Master List" site.

[LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY BIBLIOGRAPHY - (Moved to a separate page on 26 Oct 2004)]


There was a small, hard-covered, historical booklet, profusely illustrated with photos, of the Long Island Motor Parkway, perhaps ca. 1911{*?}, long missing from the Hempstead Public Library's historical collection;  I last saw this ca. 1960 (no, I do NOT have it squirreled away!).

As I recall, it was dark brown or burgundy, may have been a library rebind, and measured about 4" x 6" x ¼" thick (pages only, not counting covers).

My guess is that this was a privately-published memoir of the building of the Parkway put out by Willie K., himself, with the photos he personally took (or had taken) of the construction as it progressed [the ones the Vanderbilt museum has (see the LIMP History page, et seq.) look very familiar].

Can anyone PLEASE put me on to
this old booklet?

* - I changed this from 1908 to 1911;
    it's highly unlikely Willie would have produced it for a work still in progress.

LIMP NEWS (and Current Events)

Events of interest for Panelists and Associates were posted on the Motor Parkway Panel page;
    refer to the LIMP Preservation Society's site now.   rev (01 Sep 2013) .]

- - - * - - -



the 100th ANIVERSARY of the

(07 Sep 2005)

(altered format of H. Kroplick poster - all rights reserved)
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Garden City (Mitchel Field) - In celebration of the Centennial of the 1905 Vanderbilt Cup Race, Motor Parkway Panelist Howard Kroplick will present a special exhibit on the Vanderbilt Cup Races in the lobby of the Cradle of Aviation Museum in Garden City from Friday, September 9th to Sunday, September 18th.  The show will include the 1904 Pope-Toledo Vanderbilt Cup Racer, a 1908 Simplex Speedcar, the Ormond Beach one-mile land speed record trophy won by Wille K., an original 1904 race poster, and Howard's special films, photos, and race memorabilia.

Directions to the Museum can be found at this link: http://www.cradleofaviation.org/general_info/generalf.html.  Additional related Centennial events can be found at http://www.vanderbiltcupraces.com/.

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CENTERPORT, NY  -  To commemorate the 100th Anniversary of the first Vanderbilt Cup Race, the Suffolk County Vanderbilt Museum presented a series of lectures and slide shows on Thursdays in October at 7:30 PM at the Suffolk County Vanderbilt Museum, 180 Little Neck Road, Centerport.

The presentations, well-attended and well-received, covered the history of the races dating from 1904 through 1910 and the inception of the Long Island Motor Parkway as it related to the races and the history of Long Island, and included:

*  October 7th - The Beginning To The End of The Road, by Ronald E. Ridolph.

*  October 14th - The Long Island Motor Parkway:  The Past and The Present, by R obert Miller.

*  October 21st - A Look At The Parkway's Lodges and Inhabitants by Al Velocci, including a book signing of his newly published book on the Motor Parkway#.

*  October 28th - The Vanderbilt Cup Races" - A Centennial Lecture, by Howard Kroplick.

The Suffolk County Vanderbilt Museum, a not-for-profit institution, is the largest and most comprehensive general museum serving Long Island's three million resdents.  The museum's facilities include an historic furnished mansion, unusual life science and ethnographic collections, and a world class Planetarium that offers an unobsructed view of a large portion of the night sky.

# - There was another book signing 09 Dec 2004 at The Book Revue in Huntington Village, with a small display of LIMP memorabilia.

The flyer announcing this event had the LIMP corporate letterhead across the top and these LIMP toll plates across the bottom:

Al V.'s Toll Plates

- - - * - - -

The Vanderbilt Cup returned to Long Island!  See the main page.

There was an old car meet at the L. I. Museum tied into the Vanderbilt Cup and the races, with the Smithsonian's 1908 Simplex that ran here on loan, on 06 Oct 2002.

1935 LIMP tag #1 was on eBay at $750, Item #1079036530!

xxx (photo from eBay seller by permission - all rights reserved)

Panelist Bob Miller presented one of his fantastic LIMP slide shows to the Greater Astoria Historical Society at Quinn's Gallery, Long Island City, New York, on 04 Mar 2002.

BIG NEWS(DAY)! - John Hanc, writer on health and fitness, wrote a feature on the LIMP in the Thursday, 14 Jun 01, issue of NEWSDAY, Long Island's leading newspaper, with a front cover lead, and the cover of Section B, on pp. B6 through B8!

Panel Member Ron Ridolph put on a great LIMP Symposium (on his own, NOT a Panel event) on 29 Apr 01 at Christ Episcopal Church in Babylon (LI, NY); Ron showed his own slides, which included the demolition of two of the last three LIMP RR overpasses (the Main Line at Mineola and the Oyster Bay Branch at Williston), with commentary by Al Velocci, author and noted collector of LIMP plates/tags and other artifacts, and the Garden City Toll Lodge video by John Ellis Kordes, Garden City historian; Motor Parkway Panel Members and Associates and many other LIMPers got together.

Ron repeated this show for the Long Island Model "A" Ford Club (again on his own, NOT an official Panel event) on 30 May 2001.

You just might spot these NYS license plates at one of our get-togethers (MOTORPKY is Joe DeBono's and MOTR PKY is Panel Member Al Velocci's):

(License plate photos courtesy of R. Ridolph - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnail image on right; click on picture for larger image.]

Motor Parkway Panel Convenor S. Berliner, III, gave a talk on the LIMP to the Empire Car Club at the Garden City Toll Lodge on 10 Apr 2005.

There have been many similar events over the past few years; the latest have been and continue to be a series of events celebrating the 100th anniversary of the opening of the Parkway and the first Vanderbilt Cup Race held on it, the Motor Sweepstakes of 10 Oct 1908.  Panelist Howard Kroplick now has an outstanding Website covering such:(21 Oct 2008)


In addition there were feature articles in the 12 Oct 2008 NEW YORK TIMES and the 19 Oct 2008 NEWSDAY, the latter including a video with an on-site interview with Panelists Al Velocci, Howard Kroplick and yours truly. (21 Oct 08)

  note-rt  This information is NOT being kept current!   new (17 Aug 2014)

Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.

note-rt.gif  The index on the host's main page and these many pages have been heavily truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index preceding the host's main page. A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.


  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.


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