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Long Island Motor Parkway Page 8

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Because the Main Page overloaded, please visit the many Continuation Pages noted on the LIMP Index page.


note-rt.gif  The index on this page has been truncated to save page space; see the LIMP Index on the page preceding the main LIMP page. On the main LIMP page:
      now continued on the LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY HISTORY page, and

On Continuation Page 0:
  LIMP POSTS (and reinforced concrete).

On Continuation Page 1A:
  LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway.

On Continuation Page 2:
  More on the Long Island Motor Parkway.
  Views of the Long Island Motor Parkway Today.
  I. U. Willets Road Fragment.
  Roslyn Road Fragment.
  Bridge at Old Bethpage Village Restoration.
  Horace Harding (of Boulevard fame).
  Open LIMP Matters - Questions and Speculations.

On Continuation Page 3:
  Crossings from Roslyn Road to the Maxess Road Bridge.

On Continuation Page 4:
  Old Courthouse Road Bridge, New Hyde Park.
  Garden City Toll Lodge.
  Crossings Continued - Maxess/Duryea Road Bridge.
  More on Duryea Road Crossing.

On Continuation Page 5:
     and now continued on the LIMP Apocrypha Page.

On Continuation Page 6:
      (moved from Page 5 - 28 Mar 2000).
  Dubious Artifact at NSP/NHP Road.
  Queens Vignettes.

On Continuation Page 7:

On this Continuation Page 8:
  North Hills.
  Mineola-Carle Place.

On Continuation Page 9:
    LONG ISLAND MOTOR PARKWAY at confluence         of Marcus/Lakeville/NSParkway, continued,
        with Great Neck Toll Lodge.
    Road and Place Names - Old and New (and Bogus).

This is yet another new (07 Jun 2000) page to cover additional information and photographs of this interesting old highway; see also my Automotive, Chrysler, Dudgeon (really!), Mercedes, and SS and JAGUAR car pages and other related pages.

A Motor Parkway Panel had been convened to keep the LIMP alive in situ, in minds, and in museums; it has been disbanded and all activities thereof have been assumed by the Long Island Motor Parkway Preservation Society.

There is also a lot of automotive material on my ORDNANCE and HISTORY pages.

Also, if you like automotive history, see the links on the Automotive page.

RoW = Right-of-Way.



North Hills - in terms of the LIMP (only), the Village of North Hills lies between Lake Success and Searingtown, with the LIMP serving as most of its southern boundary (except at the far western and eastern ends.  A visit to North Hills was extremely fruitful, although the area at the Village Hall, on the west side of Shelter Rock Road just south of I. U. Willets Road, posed as many questions as it answered.  Many of us on the Panel or associated with it know that the southern boundary of the former Harkness Boy Scout facility is the LIMP RoW and that the area just west of that across Shelter Rock Road is the continuation there of.  After carefully documenting these areas, I went to the Village Hall and found a map and an aerial photomural which are unmistakeable in their delineation of where the RoW was (and is).  Something is rotten in, no, not Denmark, but North Hills.  Somehow, we have to establish how the LIMP zig-zagged from parallel to the south end of Harkness to parallel to the south boundary of The Links.

O.K.; first we start by looking east at the end of the RoW at Harkness [there is pavement further east but I, personally, haven't gone in there (yet)], then west out towards Shelter Rock and further west with a pad on the south side which may well have been a driveway to an adjoining house, and from the east side of SRR across to a greensward running south along the west side of SRR:

Harkness E Harkness W Harkness 2nd W SRR WSW
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Then, crossing SRR, looking amost due south from the roadway (no cars coming!) down along the greensward towards a fence just north of the Village Hall, a view south through that fence, a view N towards the fence from the Village Hall parking lot, with a mysterious boulder which looked as if it would have a bronze plaque on the north side, and a view from the fence back down at the rock (no plaque) and the driveway and parking lot.  The lay of the land was all wrong, though.  Inside the Hall, a helpful soul showed me through to the back (N) where the property abuts The Links development (if one can call a gated luxury community a "development"), the site of the old Links Golf Club, which is supposedly the actual RoW (much as it is/was at Deepdale and Glen Oaks - a second opinion, but still no ceegar!):

NHVH S NHVH S at Fence NHVH N to fence

NHVH S from rock NHVH/Links fence NE NHVH/Links fence SSW
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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I cut down the resolution of the Harkness/Village Hall shots to conserve space since they're "bogus" LIMP locations; these last two are puzzling, though.  They show the fence between the Village Hall and The Links directly behind (north of) the Village Hall, the first looking almost due north [the greensward along SRR is off to the right (east) beyond the tree line] and the second is taken from around the bend in the fence looking back to the southwest; why would the two jurisdictions have left the area pristine and maintain it so even today?

Well, I now (02 May 2001) know that the southern boundary of the Harkness preserve (or what ever it is now) is NOT the LIMP RoW; Harkness was cut up and sold off ca. 1980 and the RoW crosses SRR some 100 yards S or so, where the LIPA transformer station is located on the E side.  The LIPA facility is obvious, once you realize for what you are looking and here it is in a view loooking E from across SRR plus one looking W from SRR:

(Photos taken 26 Apr 2001 by and © 2001 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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I'll have to get back to those two segments, W and E of SRR, with the camera one of these days.

We were getting no place fast in Jun 2000, so here is the North Hills aerial photo, with a duplicate keyed shot annotated with features (to avoid obscuring data), plus seven overlapping close-ups of the aerial photo, which show the RoW with amazing clarity.  Although undated, the photo was obviously taken during construction of The Gates, just north of the RoW between New Hyde Park Road and the old Old Courthouse Road (and bridge mentioned several places herein):

N Hills Aerial

N Hills Aerial Key
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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The detail shots cover the RoW at the intersection of Lakeville Road and Northern State Parkway, the Great Neck South High School complex, New Hyde Park Road and NSP, Old Courthouse Road bridge, Shelter Rock Road (just to the right of the vertical white line where the photomural was probably pasted together together), Willis Avenue, and the wild northward bulge around a recalcitrant property owner just south of I. U. Willets Avenue between Shelter Rock and Searingtown Roads in Searingtown:

N Hills Aerial Lakeville/NSP N Hills Aerial GNSHS

N Hills Aerial NHP/NSP N Hills Aerial OCHRd bridge

N Hills Aerial Shelter Rock Rd N Hills Aerial Willis Av

You can just make out where the Old Courthouse Road bridge is on the fourth detail where the southeast (lower right) end of the Gates triangle comes down to the red tape (RoW).

N Hills Aerial IUW bulge
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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On this last view, you can make out the RoW running northeastward between Carriage and Shrub Hollow Roads, grazing I. U. Willets Road, and then running southeastward between Sugar Mapleand Capri Drives.

Next, let us turn to the map, noted as "The Official Map of the Incorporated Village of North Hills" and adopted 23 Mar 83.  Again , I took four close-up views of the RoW, the southern portion with the central boundary being the LIMP itself, the far western segment south of NSP at New Hyde Park Road, with an even closer view showing The Gates and Old Courthouse Road (marked "Private Road"), and the far eastern portion, showing the curve under I. U. Willets (above "OF") that is the LIMP RoW immediately north of Shrub Hollow Road southeast of the intersection of IUW with Shelter Rock Road, south of Oak Ridge Lane.

N Hills Map

N Hills Map S N Hills Map SW

N Hills Map SW detail N Hills Map SE
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Notice on both the photo and the map how the RoW runs almost due east, even across Shelter Rock Road (so, what about Harkness?).  Then, to the east, it makes that mad loop northward between SRR and Searingtown Road, almost grazing IUW, as noted just above.  So, then, what IS that greeensward so carefully preserved and tended on both sides of the fence by both The Links and North hills, other than the southeastern boundary of The Links?

Well, on advice of Panelists who lived there and know it well, the north-south section is definitely the old RoW of SRR before it was widened ca. 1990 (DUH!  I shoulda remembered that!) and, thus, the east-west segment should be the LIMP RoW.  It's NOT!  Panel Associate Chris Lindley took me over there shortly afterward and the RoW runs through the LIPA transformer station just to the south on the E side of SRR; I have to get back and document that stretch, which is accessible from the IUW area.


I was told that a Toll Lodge remained at 248 Rudolf Road in Mineola (that's a quarter-block south of Jericho Turnpike west of the RoW).  Well, there ain't no 248 but, in a neighborhood comprised otherwise entirely of postwar ticky-tacky, there is one quaint old brick house at 264 Rudolf Road (north side, sixth house west of the RoW) which looks little like other Toll Houses I've seen or seen pictured but sure looks right for the era and the purpose:

264 Rudolf to NE 264 Rudolf to NW

It sure looks good; only problem is that it turns out to be the wrong house, after all.  284 IS, in fact, the correct house, but was so heavily altered by the previous owner, before 1980, and then (unknowingly) completely refinished outside by the present owner, that there is barely any way of recognising it as such.  The window facing the RoW was the toll window and old toll tickets were found in the sill when it was torn out (long gone, now) but please remember that we are talking about a private residence and private property - leave the current residents alone and stay off their property.   rev (11 Apr 2018)

E end Rudolf to N
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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This last view is from the far eastern end of Rudolf Road, standing on the RoW just east of 284 and looking north to Jericho Turnpike; this view matches that looking south from the Turnpike at Crossings section on Continuation Page 3.

I took these pictures of 284 as it stood that day (04 Jul 2000):

284 Rudolf to W 284 Rudolf to WNW
Views from RoW looking due west and from Rudolf looking WNW.

284 Rudolf to NW 284 Rudolf to N (east end)
Views from Rudolf looking NW and N (toward east end of house).

284 Rudolf to N (west end) 284 Rudolf to ENE
Views from Rudolf looking N (toward west end of house) and ENE.

284 Rudolf to NE
View from Rudolf looking NE.
(284 photos taken 04 Jul 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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Now, if anyone can show me one single iota of external similarity between 284 Rudolf Road and a Toll Lodge, I'll eat my hat [Good thing I don't wear hats]!  Also, I don't see any bedroom window facing the RoW - unless it's in the cellar and I missed it - back I go again!

  NONSENSE!  The one-story gabled south wall facing Rudolph is clearly the south end of the lodge!
[I've known this ever since but never before corrected this page.]   new (11 Apr 2018)

We hope to obtain photos of 284 as it was 20 years ago; we would very much appreciate a photo of it as the original Toll Lodge, if anyone out there has one.

On the way to Rudolf Road, I took a moment under lowering skies to document the area in Carle Place just southeast of the intersection of Jericho Turnpike, Glen Cove Road (Clinton Street), and Northern State and Meadowbrook Parkways.  Not TOO complex an intersection, eh?  You have to go in off Glen Cove Road south of the intersection, on Briar Place or the east ends of Raff, Jerome, Fairfield, or Dow Avenues or north from Westbury Avenue on Park Avenue.  Only Raff connects across the RoW, but only for pedestrians willing to climb a slight grade.  These east ends are paralleled by the same avenues on the west side of the RoW, accessible from Donna Lane (at Rudolf) off Jericho Turnpike or Bruce Terrace off Westbury Avenue.

First, here is the original RoW, untouched except by ol' Ma Nature, herself (what a worker she is!); the first picture is looking west from the western end of the eastern portion of Raff (note the difference in grades), then a shot facing north and another facing south on the RoW between the inner ends of Jerome, the raw edge of original pavement looking west from the western end of the eastern portion of Fairfield, north and southward shots on the RoW at Fairfield, and then another picture facing south between the ends of Dow overlooking the remains of the grade leading up to the Jericho Turnpike bridge (this shot matches the northward view from the Turnpike at Crossings section on Continuation Page 3 and I regret that it doesn't give any idea of the height of the grade - about 10-15 feet):

Carle Place Raff N Carle Place Jerome N

Carle Place Jerome S Carle Place Fairfield W Paving

Carle Place Fairfield N Carle Place Fairfield S

Carle Place Dow S
(All photos taken 06 Jun 2000 by and © 2000 S. Berliner, III - all rights reserved)
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