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S. Berliner, III
Consultant in Ultrasonic Processing
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Technical and Historical Writer, Oral Historian
Popularizer of Science and Technology
Rail, Auto, Air, Ordnance, and Model Enthusiast
Light-weight Linguist, Lay Minister, and Putative Philosopher

note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

S. Berliner, III's


Railroad Continuation Page 2


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this continuation page and continuation pages to fit the lengthy Horseshoe Curve and Berlinerwerke sagas and relocate the Vest Pocket Railroads You Can Model.

NOTE:  In addition, I was also forced to move Long Island Rail Road and related Long Island railroad information onto separate LIRR continuation pages.


On the preceding page:
  Link to ALCo Love Song (moved 16 Dec 99 to it's own separate page)
  EMD Paean
  Standard Gauge

On Railroad Continuation Page 1:
  1941 Loco Prices

On this Railroad Continuation Page (2):
  RR Miscellany, including:

A and B vs. F (and 1 and 2) Ends.
Southern Railroad.
B&O and C&O.   rev (05 Dec 2019)
Bering Strait Tunnel.
  New York, Boston & Westchester Railroad
(moved from main RR page 09 Oct 2001)

On Railroad page 3:
  (Material moved from Railroad Page 2 on 21 Apr 2000)
        including a Staten Island Trackless Trolley!
  Articulateds (and Duplexiii).
  Degrees of Curvature.
  RR Questions (Help)

On Railroad Continuation Page (4):
  Anhalter Bahnhof - world's largest trainshed.
  Trolleys (about nomenclature) {moved from BHRA page on 10 Feb 2005}.

On other pages:

ALCO-GE-IR Boxcabs,
ALCO-GE-IR Survivor Boxcabs continuation page, with roster, and
ALCO-GE-IR Survivor Boxcabs continuation page, with notes,
ALCO-GE-IR CNJ #1000 Survivor Boxcab (the first production unit sold),
ALCO-GE-IR Boxcabs Continuation Page, including LIRR #401,
  the world's first production diesel road switcher, and
Ingersoll-Rand Boxcabs, with a 1929 I-R boxcab brochure,
  and I-R and GE Instruction Sheets for a 1929 600HP, 100-ton unit.
Other Boxcabs, with a boxcabs bibliography.
S. Berliner, III's Pennsylvania Railroad Page,

and PRR Modeling (Penn Line/Cary/Bowser)
Berlinerwerke Saga (HO-Scale, included with Horseshoe Curve information)
and continuation pages with prototype and HO/N/S scale dimensions,
  satellite photo, pictures, description of the Horseshoe Curve.
Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal Railroad
EMD - Electro-Motive Division of GM - models, etc.,
including EMD engines EMD may never have dreamed of,
such as the great DDP45!

Railroads You can Model,

Marion River Carry Railroad* (now on its own page).
    Vest Pocket Railroads You Can Model:
Degnon Terminal Railroad, plus
    Murrer's Sidings,
    Kearney Sidings, and
    Blissville/Laurel Hill (and Maspeth and Fresh Pond).
    Vest Pocket Railroads You Can Model - continued
Atlas Terminal RR

Schnable and other Giant RR Cars.
Schnable Cars Continuation Page.
The Whyte System of Classification (4-4-0, 4-6-2, B-B, etc.).

plus Z-Scale (1:220) Model Railroading.
    Half-Z Scale - 1:440 Tiny Trains!
Long Island Rail Road
LIRR Continuation Page 3:
 Victorian Stations Still Standing on the LIRR
    (with dimensions).
Long Island Railroads
    Long Island Railroads (old and new flags)
        [with a link to the NYCRR (Hell Gate)], and
  LIRR Bibliography.

Long Island Rail Road Historical Society Home Page.

Brooklyn Historic Railway Association and the legendary LIRR Atlantic Avenue Tunnel.

PRR Horseshoe and Muleshoe Curves
    minor write up here; on separate page with Berlinerwerke Saga
Schnable heavy duty freight cars (with photos!)

RR Miscellany, including:

B&O and C&O.

Railroad Eagles - my/Dave Morrison's page about the Penn Station and Grand Central Terminal eagles.

Z-Scale (1:220) Model Railroading.
    Z-Scale Page 3 with

Half-Z Scale - 1:440 Tiny Trains and even 1:900 Tiniest Trains!

HOW TO BOOT A STEAM LOCOMOTIVE or How to hostle without really tiring -
    (Firing up a cold oil burner).

Give Credit Where Credit is Due Department

See the preceding page.


How's this for a REAL station sign?
(more at the Berlinerwerke-Z Saga and Language pages):

Llanfair P G sign
(SB,III Photo)

10 20 30 40 50 58

For the pronounciation and translation, turn to Llanfair P G's own village page, which just may have the longest URL, as well!

This is so wonderful (and awful) that I'm putting it first:

FRA terminology took two giant steps backward, per a deliberately-unnamed Ringling Bros.-Barnum & Bailey trainmaster; I mentioned to him evidence (grooved ties) of equipment going on the ground at the Garden City freight yard as the RBBBC circus* train was being assembled by the NY&A to pull to NYC.  It seems that such things, also formerly known as derailments, are henceforth termed WHEEL RAIL RELATIONSHIP DISCREPANCIES!  Worse yet, a stripped screw situation is now a FASTENER RELATIONSHIP DEBILITATION!  I kid you not!  Since I had the feeling that my leg was getting longer than an RBBBC elephant's trunk, I cautiously inquired about same of a NY&A freight trainmaster (also mercifully unnamed here) who confirmed it as gospel.  This led to a disheartening discussion amongst both crews as to the sad state of our society and culture.

* - The word "circus" may have to be dropped because of the vociferous clamor of animal rights activists!

Will "bread" follow?

Incidentally, the RBBBC train that day (24 Mar 98) was the Blue Train, with 55 cars stretching 4,900' and weighing (coincidentally) 4,900 tons!

Now, I like a really handsome old-time steamer (The General) and I love the Hell Gate Bridge so I have to show this old post card which Bernie Ente turned up (shot by Walter Zulig ca. 1964 at the time of the unauthorized N. Y. "World's" Fair):

General on Hell Gate Viaduct

This, of course, is on the viaduct; if you look carefully, you can make out the Hell Gate arch over the right cylinder.
Bernie has asked Walter for details about this picture.

Because much information about railroads is in German, you might find Chris Ozdoba's Eisenbahn- und Modellbahn-Wörterbuch - Deutsch-Englisch / Railroad and ModelRailroading Dictionary - German-English of value.

Ca. 1940, my dad took me to Washington on the Pennsy (we flew back in a DC-2); I specifically remember riding almost the entire way on a circular plate in the floor between two halves of an articulated dining car with a full-width diaphragm between the halves, so that there was no restriction of passage between them.  Does anybody know what car (set) that was?

Hoorah!  A new Penn Station (in NYC) has been authorized!  See my LIRR page.

I (07 Aug 99) put up a Pennsy page (another one?); there's so much that doesn't appear (or belong) on my Horseshoe Curve pages.  The right-of-way of part of the Pennsylvania Turnpike was the right-of-way of the still-born South Penn Railroad (abandoned 1885); more on the old South Penn RR on my PRR page.

Speaking of handsome old-time steamers (the General, above), here's one my sister snapped directly behind a cousin's house in Scottsdale, Arizona:

Scottsdale 1 #6

Scottsdale 2 mine

Scottsdale 3 rail
[Jul 02 photos by S. Berliner, III's sister - all rights reserved]

That's Magma Arizona Railroad's October 1907 Baldwin Locomotive Works 4-6-0 #6, which hauled copper ore from Superior to Magma, Arizona for 38 years, owned by the Scottsdale Railroad and Mechanical Society, sitting at the McCormick-Stillman Railroad Park.

The other two shots are of (very-)narrow-gauge mine equipment and a stack of left-over Atlas Snap-Track (I never knew they made track for 12" = 1' scale!).

I could have sworn I wrote up a trip ca. 1950 to Cornell (Ithaca, NY) as the sole occupant of a NYC (?) sleeper somehere but can't find it.  Odd!  Anyway, on the return trip - - - nope!  It had to have been on a later trip when this would have been remarkable; probably on a D&H train from Montréal ca. 1975, passing through Albany station southbound, there was an old NYC Mohawk tender sitting facing south on a spur track directly against the eastern wall of the south end of the station building.  Anyone remember this or know what it was all about?

A and B vs. F Ends
(and 1 and 2 Ends).

A lot of railfans and modelers have no idea what the small letters "A", "B", and "F", stenciled on the far ends of the sides of locomotives and cars represent.  Taking them in reverse order, "F", logically enough, means the "FRONT" end, the end facing the normal or preferred direction of travel.  "B" designates, again logically enough, the end with the "BRAKE" wheel or staff, leaving the "A" end to be the end away from the brake wheel or staff.  Simple enough?

BUT, what about locos labelled "1" and "2" at the ends?  As far as I can tell, "1" = "F", and "2" must therefore be the other end (clever, eh?).


The AP put out a release that hit my paper (NEWSDAY) 08 Jan 99 to the effect that Bombardier made the 20 new Amtrak high-speed tilting trainsets too "fat" (4" too wide) to take the curves of the Metro Corridor at speed at 6.5 degrees of tilt without being thrown outwards.  Amtrak's VP David Carol is quoted as saying that the extra width limits them to 4.2 degrees of tilt while Bombardier maintains that they can meet the scheduled run times at trip-speed requirements at 4.2 degrees tilt.  OK, guys, who're gonna be the suckers who find out the hard way?

Bernie Ente is a gold mine of RR info; he sent me this gem from Eastern Rail News:

The Snow-Jet went out of control while blowing out the west departure yard of BRC's Barr Yard {Belt Railway of Chicago - formerly B&O's major yard there - SB,III}, running into the side of CN T347 which was doubled up trying to leave.  The Snow-Jet was estimated to be moving 70mph at the time of impact sending it's two operators to the hospital and derailing the car that was hit.

Bernie also sent this shot of four old Trakker drunks elbowed up to the bar (well - - - , these appear to be "A" ends and "F" and they're NOT overwidth, anyway); it was February 1998 at Sunnyside Yard and he caught Genesis #707, AEM-7 #948, FL-9 #485 with #486 behind it, and a Stealth Genesis [that's what it looks like to me], "Northeast Corridor" unit #103.  I stuck this shot here because it's not PRR (not any longer) and it's not LIRR (not really) but I liked the shot too much (will you look at all that spaghetti overhead!) to can it {canned spaghetti? high overhead? too much wry whiskey?}:

Sunnyside Four - Summer 1998
[Feb 98 photo courtesy of B. Ente - 1998 - all rights reserved]

Lazybones, settin' in the sun - how they gonna get their day's work done?

A perfect segué to the Southern (and southern rails):


A friend was born and raised in Hattiesburg, Mississippi, where she was thrilled by the Southern and especally by its streamliners; she remembers with great joy the day the first one came to town.  Her brother sent up a page from the Business News (apparently from the Hattiesburg "News") of 11 Nov 98 about a book on sawmills and logging railroads in Forrest and Lamar counties, "Steam Whistles in the Piney Woods" (that's yellow pine).  The author, Gilbert H. Hoffmann, was Bill, the younger brother of one of her best friends.  One of the outfits described in great detail is the Tatum Lumber Co., which ran a 60-ton Shay, #5.  Tatum aquired the Bonhomie & Hattiesburg Southern Railroad to carry logs from its 63,000 acres of timber in Forrest, Lamar, and Green Counties to its sawmill south of town.  Old man Tatum, W. S. F. (Willie Slon {or Sion} Franklin) Tatum, was well known to the local kids.  Little did my friend's brother know to whose attention the article would fall!  Looks like a super book for those of you who like southern railroading and logging operations, heavily and well illustrated; there will shortly be a sequel.  The publisher is Hoffmann's own Longleaf Press, P. O. Box 15723, Hattiesburg, Mississippi  39404
(not to be confused with the Longleaf Press at Methodist College in Fayetteville, North Carolina).

The Southern had connections at Washington with the Pennsy and, in the glory days of steam, must have had occasions when Pennsy K4 Pacifics met Southern PS-4 Pacifics to swap trains.  Two of the grandest locomotives of all time!  A Southern PS-4. #1401, is enshrined for all to admire, in all her gorgeous Crescent Limited green-and-gold livery, in the Smithsonian's National Museum of American History; I couldn't readily find a picture but here is Jim Jordan's beautiful painting of a PS-4, the "Queen" as he calls it (though why he shows a heavy industrial background for one of the world's most beautiful steam passenger consists, which traversed magnificent southern scenery, is beyond me):


The Smithsonian offers this picture (among many):   added (28 Jan 2016)


Louisville & Nashville fans can go to Bryan Turner's L&NRR e-Group and to Louisville & Nashville and Nashville, Chattanooga & St. Louis Railroads page.  Bryan Turner also documents the LIRR HEP ALCo FA-1 and -2 cabs, many of which were ex-L&N units.

If you like railroads (obvious) and ordnance (esoteric), take a look at my ordnance page; there's a huge railroad gun there and a commercial model of it at the end of my model railroad page.  It's the biggest ever, the German 80cm (31½") D1 "Dora" or "Schwere Gustav"; she spanned TWO tracks when set up to fire!

    Wow, plans show both a roadable version of Dora/Schwere Gustav and one to hide in a tunnel!

There is also a 14" railway gun at the U.S. Naval Historical Center at the Navy Yard in SE Washington, D.C.; it was one of eight built for service in Europe in WWI.

Speaking of railway guns, a Dutchman, Henk Timmerman, has a site featuring the "Great Patriotic War Museum" in Kiëv, Ukraïne, with a Soviet railcar with two huge 122mm heavy tank turrets.

B&O and C&O

= = = · = = =


The snow load on the roof of the B&O museum caused fully one-half of the roof to collapse early in the morning of 17 Feb 2503!

See the CNJ #1000 Boxcab Locomotive page 2 for more!

= = = · = = =

I'm not terribly "into" these two great old flags, except for (off hand) these items:

The B&O was one of the very first customers for boxcabs (#1-cum-#95-cum-#8000, the second production 60-ton switcher, which survives), and B&O #50, the world's first high-speed road passenger diesel (which also survives).

It had one of the sexiest (if not biggest) Yellowstone 2-8-8-4s ever built:

B&O EM-1 Yellowstone

Baldwin-built B&O 2-8-8-4 Class EM-1 {Photo by Robert L. Hundman}
(image Challenger Imports's site.

B&O EM-1 Yellowstone #659
B&O 2-8-8-4 Class EM-1 #659 shown at Butler PA 5/28/61 {Bob Rathke Photo}
detail of image excerpted from George Elwood's site.

Major spotting feature - a small skirt, only about 3' long and 6" deep at the bottom rear of the tender sides.  Why?

Here's a classic view of an EM-1 from Wayner Publications's undated "Giants of the Rails - An Articulated Steam Pictorial", page 22:

B&O EM-1 Yellowstone #7823{?}
(Bert Pennypacker photo - no other provenance given)

note0rt.gif - I need an HO tender for an EM-1 - has anyone got one to spare?

See the Articulateds section on RR page 3.

The C&O had many great features, such as their one-of-a-kind 2-6-6-6s (a design shared with the Virginian) but the hairiest thing I recalled, and couldn't find, was their gigantic THREE-truck Vanderbilt tender!

I couldn't find any such because it's a B&O tender!  Thanks to the late Hal Carstens, publisher of Railroad Model Craftsman, I now (13 Dec 05) know that this monster was 53' long, held 28 tons of coal and 20,000 gallons of water, and was used behind Class EL-6a 2-8-8-0 articulateds.  The overall truck wheelbase was 35', with the third truck centered between the outboard pair.

|_______ ______)
 o-o   o-o   o-o

The steamlocomotive.com tenders page states: "The B&O - - - had some very odd ones which had three four-wheel trucks, rather than two six-wheel."

Here, thanks to the personal courtesy of the late Hal Carstens, are the photo and drawing from page 13 of the Nov 1943 issue of RMC's predecessor magazine, Model Craftsman:

B&O 3-Truck Tender Photo

B&O 3-Truck Tender Drawing
(both images from Model Craftsman Magazine, © 1943 Carstens Publications, Inc., by special written permission - all rights reserved)

NOTE:  These two images are the exclusive property of Carstens Publications, Inc., and may not be reproduced for any purpose whatsoever without the express, prior, written permission of Carstens Publications, Inc.

The photograph suffers from an extreme moiré pattern caused by the scanning and copying procedures picking up and emphasizing the printing screen.  I tried taking out the pattern but it coarsened the image too much; please bear with the pattern.

Larry Sagle is quoted as saying the center truck was used to avoid having to build a heavy frame for so long a tender; guess the tender was NOT intended for use on rough track!

The article was also published in The Model Craftsman Locomotive Plan Package, Book 2, page 58.

0 The B&O RR Historical Society Archivist advised that the photo I remember seeing was in the book "B&O Power: 1829-1964", which turns out to be by Lawrence W. (Larry) Sagle and Alvin (Al) Staufer, Wayner Publications, Dec 1964, ISBN: 0944513069, and the photo was apparently taken by (or from the collection of) Charles S. Roberts.

Incidentally, the Milwaukee Road's Hiawatha streamliners had an odd tender trailing their 4-4-2 steamers; it had a SIX-wheel truck in front and a FOUR- wheel truck in the rear!  Ref:  TRAINS, July 1973, "Would you believe it? - Slip from Glory", page 39.  Her's an ALCo catalog cut showing just that (28 Jan 2016): :


Actually, the C&O/VGN 2-6-6-6 Allegheny had a tender with a six-wheel truck in front and an eight-wheel truck behind. (28 Jan 2016)


Yee-hah! - Looking up something unrelated, I stumbled on an illustrated link to a Bachmann blog about their old HO EL-x 2-8-8-0 model; the pic was tiny but unmistakeable:   new (05 Dec 2019)

B&O3TruckTender B&O3TruckTenderArrow

That pic is nothing much to write home about so I looked further in the blog, through endless blind links (with no pix), until I found this one:


That's no gem, either, so I kept copying and pasting links until I hit paydirt; it never rains but it pours, or seek and ye shall find, eh?  What you really want is what you find last - the original pic at a reasonable size:


'Nuf about the three-truck tender?

If you are a B&O or C&O buff, you should especially see the write up about the B&O Railroad Museum on my dedicated CNJ #1000 Survivor Boxcab page.

FYI, the B&O has an Historical Society, as does the C&O.

See also Staten Island RR on page 4.

Bering Strait Tunnel

When President Clinton was first inaugurated, I sent him a proposal for a Bering Strait Tunnel, which he or his staff ignored (of course).  It included gauge changing, on the Alaska side (for our economic benefit), and is an easy engineering feat (vis-à-vis the Chunnel).
More on this follows on a separate Strunnel page.

Oddities, including a Staten Island Trackless Trolley! - moved to Railroad Page 3 on 21 Apr 00.

NEW YORK, BOSTON & WESTCHESTER RAILROAD - moved to Railroad Page 4 on 17 Mar 03.

Degrees of Curvature - moved to Railroad Page 3 on 21 Apr 00.

RR Questions (Help) - moved to Railroad Page 3 on 21 Apr 00.

Steam lovers, see my Science and Technology page!  Ah, the power of steam!

There is an incredible simulation program by Charlie Dockstadter on steam valve gear available on the Alaska Live Steamers VALVE GEAR ON THE COMPUTER page.

You may wish to visit the Railroad Continuation Page, et seq.

of this series of Railroad pages.


  What happens to all this when I DIE or (heaven forfend!) lose interest?  See LEGACY.


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