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Updated:   30 Apr 2016; 01:10  ET
[Page created 31 Mar 2005; converted 09 Mar 2011
    original AT&T Worldnet Website begun 30 May 1996.]
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[was at "home.att.net/~Berliner-Ultrasonics/rrschn8c.html"]

S. Berliner, III
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note - The vast bulk of my massive Web presence (over 485 pages) had been hosted by AT&T's WorldNet service since 30 May 1996; they dropped WorldNet effective 31 Mar 2010 and I have been scrambling to transfer everything.  Everything's saved but all the links have to be changed, mostly by hand.  See my sbiii.com Transfer Page for any updates on this tedious process.

S. Berliner, III's


Railroad Continuation Page


{and these are mostly only thumbnails, at that!}


(also misspelled "Schnable"* -
by me!)


(with digressions to highway uses)


NOTE:  Page size was limited by HTML to some 30kB; thus, I was forced to add this page
as a continuation page to my various RR and Model RR pages,
and, in turn, now has a Continuation Page.

NOTE:  I regret that some of my internal links refuse to work; if they don't, please click "Back" and scroll.


On the main Schnabel page:

    Scroll away, plus these specifics -
    Schnabel Diagram.
    Schnabel Car Loading Technique.
    Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars (moved to Continuation Page 2 on 04 Dec 99).
    Schnabel References (moved to Continuation Page 1 on 14 Sep 02).
    Road/Highway Schnabels - moved to Road Loads page 16 Mar 00.

On Schnabel Continuation Page 0:

    72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car.
    More about 72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car.
        (moved from Schnabel Continuation Page 2 on 09 Jan 2002)
    Mammoet/ETARCO Mammoth Rail Loads.

On Schnabel Continuation Page 1:

    Krupp Schnabel Brochure
    CEBX-800 Drawing (NOT!)
    LIRR Loads
    Schnabel References (moved from main page 14 Sep 02).

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 2:

    Scroll away, plus these specifics -
    More about 72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car.
        (moved to Schnabel Continuation Page 0 on 09 Jan 2002)
    Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars (moved from Main Page, 04 Dec 99).
    Schnabel Miscellany.

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 3:

    More Model Schnabel and other Giant Cars.
    Dave Allen's Concept Models Schnabel Kits. (moved to page 4 on 17 Jan 05)

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 4:

    Schnabel Models - continued.
    Dave Allen's Concept Models Schnabel Kits. (moved here 17 Jan 05)
    GEX 80003 - World's Largest Drop-Center Flat Car.
    Nisco Steel move in China. (moved here from Cont. Page 3 on 08 Dec 05)

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 5 (06 Feb 2012):

    Schnabel Car Geometry.
    Even More Schnabel Car Models.
    Schnabel Car Model Geometry.   new(15 Mar 2014)
    Even More Schnabel Car Models.
    Mark Runyan's 800-801 Models (24 Aug 2012).

On the Schnabel Continuation Page 6:

    Drop Center Flats Cars in Erie.   new(11 Dec 2014)

On this Schnabel CEBX 800 Page:

    CEBX 800 in Houston - 28 Mar 2005.
    CEBX 800 in Denver - 15 Apr 2005.
    CEBX 800 in La Grange - 28 Aug 2010.   new (30 Apr 2016)

On the Road Loads page:

    Road/Highway Schnabels - material moved from main RR Schnabel Car page,
    MOVING LOCO #833

On Road Loads Page 2:

    Road Load Models
    Mammoet/ETARCO Mammoth Road Loads, plus
    just scroll away.

On the Road Loads Page 3:

    Danly Press
    Miller Transfer

Something has to lift these giant loads; see Big Cranes.

Jump to SB,III's RAILROAD Page for a goodly set of RR links

  and to SB,III's MODEL RAILROAD Page for a goodly set of model RR links (yea, verily, forsooth!).

SCHNABEL and other

(and highway variants)



Effective mid-2012, Westinghouse has renumbered Krupp-built
CEBX 800 to WECX 800 and twinned it with Kasgro-built WECX 801,
which latter now takes the title of the largest RR car in the world.
[Most references to CEBX 800 herein have NOT been changed.]

CEBX 800 - Houston - 28 Mar 2005


CEBX 800 was on the move again; she had been rebuilt in March 2003 (per her consolidated stencil) and was working a 745 ton vessel destined for Suncor in Commerce, Colorado, on the BNSF.  These pix were taken on 28 Mar 2005 moving south out of Houston on the Mykawa subdivision of the BNSF.  My source put in one picture of the BNSF engine dedicated to this move; it was only one month old and was held out of service specifically to keep it "beautiful" for this move.  A crew was taping during this move; my source was not sure who commissioned it, but thinks it was the BNSF.  He talked to his counterpart in Denver and is going to try to get pictures of the unloading operation in Commerce.  :·)

The vessel was loaded at the Houston ship channel inbound from Belleli Energy in Italy. Estimated travel time for the move is 25 days.  Locals believe this may be a record move in terms of gross rail weight; this opens quite a can of worms (see below).

The local BNSF boss bull said they are keeping very close track of this move; word had gotten out that it was in the area and they didn't want anyone hurt trying to get an up-close look.  One of the perks of my contact's job is that he got to walk up and get pictures from right next to it while the bulls were running people off the property.  His only problem was scale; to get a picture of any significant portion of the beast, he had to be back quite a ways.

So, starting with the shiny, new loco, and with a dusk shot so dark nothing shows (see lightened crop for a sea of white truck side frames, arrows), and ending up with a gorgeous evening silhouette - she scoons (again):

[Note - there are two sets of pictures with overlapping filenames so I renamed the second set from -xxx to _xxx]

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(This image cropped and enhanced from photo courtesy of RR source - all rights reserved)

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(All photos courtesy of RR source - all rights reserved)

Maximum Weight on Rails (a can of worms):  My source has been railroading since 199x and this is the largest thing he has ever seen on rails; this makes good sense, since CEBX 800 IS the largest thing ever seen on rails (not counting the German 80cm Dora railgun - but she ran on two tracks to fire and was disassembled for travel on single track).  CEBX 800 was originally built for a full 800-ton reactor move (direct bolting - no tension beams); that was 'way back in 1969.  Each half is 40 tons light, thus giving a total weight on rail of 880 tons.  This Suncor load was shy internal bracing and components to save 40 tons shipping weight; they will be added on site.

Look at that new stencilling: 1779260 load limit and 740800 light; that's 889.63 and 370.4 tons ("New 9-80" refers to the refers to the light weight of the car).

A Westinghouse contact told my source that CEBX 800 was originally scheduled for a nuclear reactor move in California but there were big problems getting permits from right of way jurisdictions as it was still 'hot', and that reactor is sitting on a Marine Corps base in limbo so they got the CEBX 800 earlier than expected.  That's not the way I heard it; the missing Krupp brochure even showed the move; with a brand-new C-E reactor vessel all rusty-red and shaped like a light bulb, with the fat end barely clearing the rails.  The photos in the newer Krupp flyer, above, look like that move but that jobbie sure as shooting is on tension arms; further, that Belleli load is cylindrical.

Ah, memory!  I am probably all wet about the original use and completely forgot that I have the stenciling and weight questions on Schnabel Continuation Page 0 at More about 72-wheel 880-Ton Schnabel Car.

More information from my source:  the pictures that were too dark show the amount of overhang on the inside radius of the curve.  The load itself was 13' 7" wide and the one picture clearly shows it at least even with the outside radius of the curve, which puts the inside edge of the load a minimum of 9' from the inside rail, on a main line Y that has a speed limit of 30MPH.  The displaced overhang on a yard curve/turnout must approach 20'.

Aha!  Maybe that lovely silhouette shot contains more than just an æsthetic image?  Back to the image processor and - presto, change-o:

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(Cropped and enhanced from photo courtesy of RR source - all rights reserved)

Well, it doesn't show the overhang very well to my eyes but it sure DOES show the open-work of the underpinnings AND it points up something I'd noticed and forgotten.  Look at those tension beams!  They are radically different from the original ones, which were of simple rectangular cross-section; I can't but wonder if they aren't now extensible - take a look at these details:

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Images _11t, _13t, and _15t
(Cropped and enhanced from photos courtesy of RR source - all rights reserved)

Compare those to these blowups of Jim Banner's photomontage of the Bi-Provincial Uploader moving through Saskatoon in 1991, with greatly-extended tension beams:

Bi-Prov. Load Beam
(cropped from 1991 photo courtesy of Jim Banner - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed image; click on the picture for a larger image]

I never realized before that this appears to show (through the accumulated snow) the standard old tension beam, hung between two new tension beams at left and right; to save you scrolling, I cropped the left, center left, center right, and right segments of this photomontage:

Bi-Prov. Load Beam - left Bi-Prov. Load Beam - left center Bi-Prov. Load Beam - right center Bi-Prov. Load Beam - right
(cropped photos from 1991 photomontage courtesy of Jim Banner - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

This car and its accessories have so much detail that it presents an endless challenge, plus, as it gets modified over the years, it keeps getting more challenging and the old details seem to melt into the dim past.

Just for example, I seemed to recall that the car, as originally built, had no cabs (not so), that small cabs were added over the controls after delivery (but that's clearly wrong - see the cabs at Krupp in the photos on the main page), and that Trans-Alta lengthened them to the present long version.  I think that comes from the original drawings, which I now can't find; they showed no cabs.

Hold the phone; here's another source (let's call him Anon-2) with more shots of the Belleli vessel just after being unloaded from the heavy lift ship in the Port of Houston onto CEBX 800 there:

800 Mar05 Unload 01 800 Mar05 Unload 02 800 Mar05 Unload 03
(photos courtesy of Anon-2 - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

800 Mar05 Loaded 04

The consist on its way north-west to Commerce, Colorado, though Alvin, Texas:

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These last three night shots may be beautiful images, but I can't see anything, so I lightened and cropped them drastically:

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800 Mar05 Night 08e
(cropped and enhanced from photos courtesy of Anon-2 - all rights reserved)

On its way north-west to Commerce, Colorado, though Somerville, Texas:

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(photos courtesy of Anon-2 - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images
(slightly out-of-focus, though)]

Thanks, Anon-2!

CEBX 800 - Denver - 15 Apr 2005


Well, she made it to Denver, Colorado, on 15 Apr 2005 and Keith Hahn came in from Longmont to catch her:

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(All 15 Apr 05 photos courtesy of K. Hahn; cropped and enhanced slightly - all rights reserved)

Now, let us await with great patience (HA!) her arrival at Commerce and photos of the unloading process.

In mid-December 2005, perhaps the biggest shipment ever sent by rail (and road) was assembled in Duluth harbor for movement across Canada to OPTI Canada’s Long Lake Upgrader oil sands project south of Ft. McMurray, Alberta.  Many photographers are covering the move:

800 Dec05 Duluth 01

800 Dec05 Duluth 02

800 Dec05 Duluth 03

800 Dec05 Duluth 04

800 Dec05 Duluth 05
(photos by and courtesy of K. Newhams/Duluth Shipping News - all rights reserved) [pictures re-sized 05 Feb 06 - by request]

The above Duluth pictures were taken by Kenneth Newhams of Duluth Shipping News, http://www.duluthshippingnews.com/; you can see his entire coverage at Lake Superior Warehousing Co,, Inc. (click on the links at the top of that page).  Mr. Newhams takes most of the pictures on that site; LSWCI was the stevedoring contractor for the November/December Schnabel car transfer.

[My apologies to Mr. Newhams for unknowingly miscrediting his photos.]

Peter Robitaille sent these shots taken out on the road:

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800 Dec05 en-route 00553

800 Dec05 en-route 00554

800 Dec05 en-route 00562
(photos courtesy of P. Robitaille - all rights reserved)
[Thumbnailed images; click on the pictures for larger images]

Wild set-up, eh?

The Hooper Welding cylinder made for an interesting overhang in the IHB yard at La Grange, Illinois, on 28 Aug 2010:   new (30 Appr 2016)

(screen shot - lost the source video
NOT the well-known KPKOREN one)

I looked and looked and THOUGHT the left image was that location but then realized that it is more likely to be the right image - note the double-stepped wall building inside the curve:

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The latter (actually two buildings) has the correct brick wall construction:

(screen shot - this time from the KPKOREN video)

If someone out there knows for sure, please let me know.

Should you have a hankering for an elegant model of CEBX/WECX 800 or WECX 801, see Mark Runyan's simply-stunning Schnabel car in resin and etched brass [featured information moved to Even More Schnabel Car Models on page 5 on 24 Aug 2012]; here's a teaser:.   rev (24 Aug 2012)

(photo courtesy of M. Runyan - all rights reserved)

Look also at the main and succeeding Schnabel pages.

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